Hon Barry House questions the Minister for Education and Training about the anticipated costs of bringing school cleaning in-house, citing an independent audit suggesting a $100 million cost over four years. The Minister dismisses the audit's findings as scaremongering and avoids providing specific cost details.

AnsweredQoN 142Legislative Council
Asked
28 April 2005
Portfolio
Education and Training

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I refer the minister to her decision to require all school cleaning to be undertaken in-house. (1) Given that an independent audit has indicated that these changes will cost an extra $100 million over the next four years, what is the minister’s anticipated extra cost of these new arrangements per annum? (2) Will the Department of Education and Training meet the additional costs or will each school be required to do so? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH

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I thank the member for the question. (1)-(2) I have not seen the audit that suggests that it will cost an extra $100 million to bring cleaning in-house.  I think that this is just a bit of scaremongering.  I would like to see how independent the independent audit really is.  I would also like to see who commissioned this independent audit. Hon Barry House :  The government. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I have not read the report of that audit.  I would be very surprised if it is $100 million. Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
(1) Given that an independent audit has indicated that these changes will cost an extra $100 million over the next four years, what is the minister’s anticipated extra cost of these new arrangements per annum? (2) Will the Department of Education and Training meet the additional costs or will each school be required to do so? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)-(2) I have not seen the audit that suggests that it will cost an extra $100 million to bring cleaning in-house.  I think that this is just a bit of scaremongering.  I would like to see how independent the independent audit really is.  I would also like to see who commissioned this independent audit. Hon Barry House :  The government. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I have not read the report of that audit.  I would be very surprised if it is $100 million. Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
(2) Will the Department of Education and Training meet the additional costs or will each school be required to do so? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)-(2) I have not seen the audit that suggests that it will cost an extra $100 million to bring cleaning in-house.  I think that this is just a bit of scaremongering.  I would like to see how independent the independent audit really is.  I would also like to see who commissioned this independent audit. Hon Barry House :  The government. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I have not read the report of that audit.  I would be very surprised if it is $100 million. Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)-(2) I have not seen the audit that suggests that it will cost an extra $100 million to bring cleaning in-house.  I think that this is just a bit of scaremongering.  I would like to see how independent the independent audit really is.  I would also like to see who commissioned this independent audit. Hon Barry House :  The government. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I have not read the report of that audit.  I would be very surprised if it is $100 million. Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
I thank the member for the question. (1)-(2) I have not seen the audit that suggests that it will cost an extra $100 million to bring cleaning in-house.  I think that this is just a bit of scaremongering.  I would like to see how independent the independent audit really is.  I would also like to see who commissioned this independent audit. Hon Barry House :  The government. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I have not read the report of that audit.  I would be very surprised if it is $100 million. Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
(1)-(2) I have not seen the audit that suggests that it will cost an extra $100 million to bring cleaning in-house.  I think that this is just a bit of scaremongering.  I would like to see how independent the independent audit really is.  I would also like to see who commissioned this independent audit. Hon Barry House :  The government. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I have not read the report of that audit.  I would be very surprised if it is $100 million. Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon Barry House :  The government. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I have not read the report of that audit.  I would be very surprised if it is $100 million. Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I have not read the report of that audit.  I would be very surprised if it is $100 million. Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Several members interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  We are looking at the costs.  The government has made a policy commitment, and we will honour that promise.  For a long time I have had concerns about the quality of cleaning in government schools.  In my view, schools have not been cleaned in all cases to an appropriate standard.  Quite frankly, if I were a parent of a child attending a school, I would want the child to be in a nice and clean environment.  It is beholden on every parent to want the absolute best for their children.  Parents have expressed concern. Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon Kim Chance :  Parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to me about it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  Hon Kim Chance tells me that parents from Esperance and Geraldton have written to him.  As education minister, it is my responsibility to ensure that students can learn in a clean and orderly environment. Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon Barry House :  Just answer the question: how much do you think it will cost and who is going to pay.  That’s the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  When I am ready to reveal the information, I will reveal the information.  I want to say that $100 million seems to be way out of whack. Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon Barry House :  What is in whack?  Do you have a ballpark figure? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH :  I think the member opposite is involved in some scaremongering.  He cannot accept that somebody has made a decision on this matter.  Quite frankly, this matter needs to be bedded down and that is exactly what is happening.  I intend to do it and I intend to do it with the minimum of fuss.

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