❓ Mr. McGinty questions the accuracy of a statutory declaration signed by Mr. Turton, alleging ministerial involvement in its creation and knowledge of its falsity. Mr. Shave denies direct involvement and defends the circumstances surrounding the declaration.
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Why did the ministerial office staff prepare, and have Don Turton sign, a statutory declaration which the minister knew to be untrue? I refer to item 4 of Mr Turton’s statutory declaration in which the minister’s staff had him state he did not discuss or complain about this matter to any other person. Will the minister confirm that, to his knowledge, the statement is untrue, as prior to August 1999 the minister discussed his former father-in-law’s troubles with Mr Jarvis, Mr Fidge and Ms Brailey, as well as the Parliament? These people’s knowledge could have come only from Mr Turton. Will the minister also confirm that his former father-in-law expressed a desire to recall the statutory declaration? Mr SHAVE
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I have not spoken to my former father-in-law since he visited me on 30 August 1999. Therefore, I have no knowledge of whether he wants to recall a statutory declaration. Mr McGinty: Has no-one ever said that to you? Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE replied: I have not spoken to my former father-in-law since he visited me on 30 August 1999. Therefore, I have no knowledge of whether he wants to recall a statutory declaration. Mr McGinty: Has no-one ever said that to you? Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
I have not spoken to my former father-in-law since he visited me on 30 August 1999. Therefore, I have no knowledge of whether he wants to recall a statutory declaration. Mr McGinty: Has no-one ever said that to you? Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Has no-one ever said that to you? Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE replied: I have not spoken to my former father-in-law since he visited me on 30 August 1999. Therefore, I have no knowledge of whether he wants to recall a statutory declaration. Mr McGinty: Has no-one ever said that to you? Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
I have not spoken to my former father-in-law since he visited me on 30 August 1999. Therefore, I have no knowledge of whether he wants to recall a statutory declaration. Mr McGinty: Has no-one ever said that to you? Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Has no-one ever said that to you? Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: No-one has ever said that to me. Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Everyone else is aware of it except you. Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: I am just telling the member the truth. He may not like it but that is the truth. Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr Turton’s declaration was made at the request of the lawyers assisting the Gunning inquiry so that Mr Turton could clearly state that he had not been in my office to discuss the matters relating to the Fidge affair - if I can use that term. It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
It is true that I was aware of Mr Turton’s situation earlier than 13 August as Fidge and Brailey had been in my office. I have never denied that Fidge used words to the effect of, “Don’s got an investment here” or “Don’s got a problem”. That statutory declaration, although the member for Fremantle may not realise it, was never presented to the Gunning inquiry and if Mr Turton wants - Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: I do not think it is accurate either. Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: I think the member is right, in part. What happened with that elderly gentleman - Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Your office staff drafted it. Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: No, excuse me; the statutory declaration was prepared by the solicitors. Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Your chief of staff took it out to him and got him to sign it. Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: No, my chief of staff did not take it out. Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr McGinty: Skepper did? Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: Yes, Skepper went to see him and got him to sign the declaration. Mr Turton is an elderly person who has had a stroke, and to the best of his knowledge what he signed at the time was correct as he knew he had not been in my office to see me before that date. It may well be that six months or a year before that he ran into Mr Fidge in the street and said, “I have a problem with a finance loan too.” When Mr Turton signed that declaration he genuinely believed what he was signing was right. The fact that he is over 80 years of age, has had a stroke and is a very ill gentleman is a problem. The declaration was not presented to the Gunning - Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr Ripper: Isn’t it funny how everyone else is always at fault, every time? Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
Mr SHAVE: No, no-one is at fault on this issue. Mr Turton thought what he was doing at the time was right. After 16 years of marriage to his daughter, one thing I do know about him is that he is a decent, elderly person, albeit some people say that I said he was a silly old fool. When the lawyers prepared that declaration for Mr Turton and when Mr Turton signed it, they and Mr Turton believed that what he was signing was right.
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