❓ A WA parliamentary question on notice regarding a potential conflict of interest involving the Attorney General, his cousin, and a settlement scheme allegedly concocted by Brian Burke. The Attorney General denies any wrongdoing and accuses the questioner of misrepresenting his statements.
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HUGH MCLERNON - FINANCE BROKERS SETTLEMENT SCHEME
I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon is - on his recommendation - certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY
I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon is - on his recommendation - certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY
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(1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGinty : Mr Speaker, I have not been able to hear one word of this question. The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order! Members on my right may think that they can talk over the member for Nedlands so that the Attorney cannot hear the question, but the Attorney does want to hear the question so that he can answer it. Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. WALKER : To continue - (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament - Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGinty : I also did not hear the first part of the question. Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. WALKER : I will start again. I refer to the Attorney General’s comment in Parliament earlier this year that his cousin Hugh McLernon - on his recommendation - is certain to make “a very handsome dollar” out of the litigation that is being funded by IMF (Australia) Ltd when there is, on legal advice, no prospect of such success. (1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(1) Why has the Attorney not made this house aware that his cousin is lobbying him for $30 million in a settlement scheme that was concocted by Brian Burke, and about which he has publicly bragged? (2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(2) Why has the Attorney not been forthcoming to this Parliament or anyone else that Brian Burke is party to a scheme in which the Attorney intends to settle on his cousin “a very handsome dollar”? (3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(3) Can the Attorney advise this house which ministers have been lobbied by Brian Burke or Julian Grill, on behalf of themselves and the Attorney’s cousin Hugh McLernon, to ensure they accept the Attorney’s “recommendation” in cabinet of an ex gratia payment of “a very handsome dollar” to his cousin? Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY replied: (1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
(1)-(3) Welcome to planet earth! Anyone else would have been aware from reports in the media and debates in this house over a great length of time that Hugh McLernon is my cousin. That has been made very public every time we have debated this matter, because I wanted everyone to fully understand the nature of the relationship that exists. That is why the member for Nedlands may have noticed - Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Nedlands! Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : - that my cousin Hugh McLernon was even complaining in the newspaper about the frequency with which I had referred to the fact that he was my cousin. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Nedlands to order for the second time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Collie-Wellington to order for the first time, and the member for Nedlands to order for the third time. Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : Everyone has been painfully aware, particularly my cousin Hugh McLernon, that on every occasion I have been saying that this man is my cousin. Everyone should be aware of this. I believe accountability requires exactly that; that is, everyone should be fully aware of any relationships that exist. Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr P.D. Omodei : You are entitled to make that decision? Is that what you are saying? Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : I am not saying that. The Leader of the Opposition is saying that. I am not saying that at all. Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr P.D. Omodei : You did not leak him the legal advice? Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : What legal advice is the Leader of the Opposition talking about? The answer is no, for whatever legal advice the Leader of the Opposition is talking about. In fact, for the past several months I have deliberately not met with him, notwithstanding his requests that I do meet with him, because of the relationship that exists between us. I have requested for several months now that all dealings be with Tim Sharp, the State Solicitor, because I believe that is the appropriate way for these negotiations to continue. I correct the member for Nedlands on one thing. I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, you did. It was recorded in Hansard in April this year. I looked it up this morning. Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : No. No offer has been made by the government. Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Ms S.E. Walker : You said “a very handsome dollar”. Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : That he was certain to make “a very handsome dollar”? No, never. The member for Nedlands is completely wrong, for one very simple reason. That is that the government has made no offer to settle the finance brokers issue. As I pointed out when we last debated this issue, there are at least three reasons for that. There is now a further reason. That is the involvement of Brian Burke in this matter. The three other reasons were: that our legal advice had been consistent; I was unhappy with the money that Hugh McLernon and his company, IMF, stood to make; and I believe that those people who are not part of the litigation should also be considered. To answer the question, I have never said that Hugh McLernon is certain to make “a very handsome dollar”. I think anyone else on planet earth who had been listening would know that I have frequently over the past several months made this house very aware of exactly that fact. I think everyone in this place would also be very aware of my very close relationship with Brian Burke! Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Several members interjected. Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
Mr J.A. McGINTY : I have spoken to him once in a decade! That was as a result of a casual passing, and not otherwise. If the member for Nedlands thinks that to have Brian Burke involved in or in any way associated with this matter will be of any help to the investors who have lost their money, she is horribly wrong.
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