❓ Mr. Birney requests the tabling of briefing papers, but Minister Roberts refuses, citing advice from the Commissioner of Police that the documents are exempt from FOI, operational, and that tabling them would set a bad precedent and invite political interference.
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I ask a supplementary question. Will the minister table both briefing papers? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS
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I always seek advice from the Commissioner of Police about what is operational and what is not operational, and what is appropriate to table and what is not appropriate to table. The Commissioner of Police has reaffirmed to me again this morning that these documents are exempt from FOI, for very good reason; and also that there is absolutely no precedent for these kinds of documents to be tabled in this House. It has never happened before in the history of this State. Indeed, not only is there no precedent for these documents to be tabled, but also, in my view, if these documents were to be tabled, it would set a pretty awful precedent, because there are a lot of people sitting opposite who perhaps would not want their incident reports tabled, and there are no doubt people in the federal Parliament, and elsewhere - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS replied: I always seek advice from the Commissioner of Police about what is operational and what is not operational, and what is appropriate to table and what is not appropriate to table. The Commissioner of Police has reaffirmed to me again this morning that these documents are exempt from FOI, for very good reason; and also that there is absolutely no precedent for these kinds of documents to be tabled in this House. It has never happened before in the history of this State. Indeed, not only is there no precedent for these documents to be tabled, but also, in my view, if these documents were to be tabled, it would set a pretty awful precedent, because there are a lot of people sitting opposite who perhaps would not want their incident reports tabled, and there are no doubt people in the federal Parliament, and elsewhere - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
I always seek advice from the Commissioner of Police about what is operational and what is not operational, and what is appropriate to table and what is not appropriate to table. The Commissioner of Police has reaffirmed to me again this morning that these documents are exempt from FOI, for very good reason; and also that there is absolutely no precedent for these kinds of documents to be tabled in this House. It has never happened before in the history of this State. Indeed, not only is there no precedent for these documents to be tabled, but also, in my view, if these documents were to be tabled, it would set a pretty awful precedent, because there are a lot of people sitting opposite who perhaps would not want their incident reports tabled, and there are no doubt people in the federal Parliament, and elsewhere - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS replied: I always seek advice from the Commissioner of Police about what is operational and what is not operational, and what is appropriate to table and what is not appropriate to table. The Commissioner of Police has reaffirmed to me again this morning that these documents are exempt from FOI, for very good reason; and also that there is absolutely no precedent for these kinds of documents to be tabled in this House. It has never happened before in the history of this State. Indeed, not only is there no precedent for these documents to be tabled, but also, in my view, if these documents were to be tabled, it would set a pretty awful precedent, because there are a lot of people sitting opposite who perhaps would not want their incident reports tabled, and there are no doubt people in the federal Parliament, and elsewhere - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
I always seek advice from the Commissioner of Police about what is operational and what is not operational, and what is appropriate to table and what is not appropriate to table. The Commissioner of Police has reaffirmed to me again this morning that these documents are exempt from FOI, for very good reason; and also that there is absolutely no precedent for these kinds of documents to be tabled in this House. It has never happened before in the history of this State. Indeed, not only is there no precedent for these documents to be tabled, but also, in my view, if these documents were to be tabled, it would set a pretty awful precedent, because there are a lot of people sitting opposite who perhaps would not want their incident reports tabled, and there are no doubt people in the federal Parliament, and elsewhere - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
The SPEAKER: Order, members! The minister. Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: These are not matters for investigation by the Minister for Police, nor are they matters that are appropriate to be tabled in this House. I have sought information - Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mr M.J. Birney interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
The SPEAKER: Order, member for Kalgoorlie! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: I have sought information from the Commissioner of Police. He advises me that these documents are not subject to FOI; and that because they are operational documents, there is no precedent for them to be tabled. In my view, this kind of thing should not be subject to political interference. In fact, if we were to do what the member for Kalgoorlie is asking us to do, we would actually open up these things to political interference. Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Ms S.E. Walker interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
The SPEAKER: Order, member for Nedlands! Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: The Commissioner of Police has to be the one charged with responsibility for ensuring what is disclosed and what is not disclosed, and that things are appropriately tabled. Other agencies, such as the Corruption and Crime Commission, can become involved and conduct investigations should that be necessary. I have been advised by the Commissioner of Police that it is not appropriate for me to table these documents. Indeed, I have not even sought to see the incident management notes.
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