❓ The Treasurer defends the government's decision to extend a subsidy to junior iron ore miners using Utah Point, citing Treasury analysis and industry-wide discounts during a price drop. He also deflects criticism regarding a contract awarded to a cheaper firm over ABB, referencing potential job movement to Vietnam.
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UTAH POINT — SUBSIDY 840. Mr M. McGOWAN to the Treasurer: I refer to the government’s decision to extend the $2.50 per tonne subsidy for junior iron ore miners to use Utah Point to 30 June 2017, and to his comments yesterday, and I quote — “It is not appropriate for WA taxpayers and electricity consumers to subsidise private companies … What criteria does the Treasurer apply to determine which private companies will receive taxpayer-funded support and which will not? Dr M.D. NAHAN
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I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
840. Mr M. McGOWAN to the Treasurer: I refer to the government’s decision to extend the $2.50 per tonne subsidy for junior iron ore miners to use Utah Point to 30 June 2017, and to his comments yesterday, and I quote — “It is not appropriate for WA taxpayers and electricity consumers to subsidise private companies … What criteria does the Treasurer apply to determine which private companies will receive taxpayer-funded support and which will not? Dr M.D. NAHAN replied: I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
I refer to the government’s decision to extend the $2.50 per tonne subsidy for junior iron ore miners to use Utah Point to 30 June 2017, and to his comments yesterday, and I quote — “It is not appropriate for WA taxpayers and electricity consumers to subsidise private companies … What criteria does the Treasurer apply to determine which private companies will receive taxpayer-funded support and which will not? Dr M.D. NAHAN replied: I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN replied: I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
840. Mr M. McGOWAN to the Treasurer: I refer to the government’s decision to extend the $2.50 per tonne subsidy for junior iron ore miners to use Utah Point to 30 June 2017, and to his comments yesterday, and I quote — “It is not appropriate for WA taxpayers and electricity consumers to subsidise private companies … What criteria does the Treasurer apply to determine which private companies will receive taxpayer-funded support and which will not? Dr M.D. NAHAN replied: I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
I refer to the government’s decision to extend the $2.50 per tonne subsidy for junior iron ore miners to use Utah Point to 30 June 2017, and to his comments yesterday, and I quote — “It is not appropriate for WA taxpayers and electricity consumers to subsidise private companies … What criteria does the Treasurer apply to determine which private companies will receive taxpayer-funded support and which will not? Dr M.D. NAHAN replied: I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN replied: I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question, which highlights the issue. The issue is that yesterday the Leader of the Opposition heard that ABB is closing down the Malaga plant. He jumped on the issue without ascertaining the facts. He tweeted — Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan : You misled. Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : No. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : That is enough! Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : The Leader of the Opposition jumped on the issue and said that this would not happen under Labor. The Leader of the Opposition implied that ABB should have gotten the job no matter what. Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes, he did. He said that it would have got the contract and that it would not have lost those jobs under Labor. It was not 80 people. I have a letter, which I will table, from the head of ABB in Western Australia. He has moved on actually. According to him, the number of people is 56. Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Ms R. Saffioti interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Fifty-six people lost their jobs because of the contract, not 80. The Leader of the Opposition did not inquire into the reason that ABB did not get the contract, which was that a firm, yet to be awarded the contract, was 40 per cent cheaper. Also, as I indicated, we were very concerned because we knew—ABB told us—that ABB has built a very large new plant in Vietnam and is servicing — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the first time. Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan interjected. The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : If you want to talk when I am on my feet, I will call you as well. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : We were very worried that if the contract was signed and Western Power was locked into ABB’s gear that it might over time move the activities away from Malaga to Vietnam. The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The Leader of the Opposition asked about yesterday — Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : I am getting there. The member for Victoria Park did not ask the question; just hold on. Importantly, we left the decision — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Member for Butler, I call you to order for the first time. Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : We left the decision up to Western Power. Western Power is the proper agency to make the decision on the competitive tender. I stand by those figures. They came from Western Power. Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan : It is $16 million a year. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Yes. Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr M. McGowan : A $16 million differential. The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Do you want me to move on or do you want to ask a supplementary question? The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Through the Chair. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : The question was about the junior miners. We gave them a $2.50 per tonne discount on the use of Utah Point, which we also gave them the year before, on the basis of a cabinet decision. Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Mr B.S. Wyatt interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Just hold on. If the member wants to ask a question, let me get to the point and I will answer them all. It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
It was a cabinet decision. There was analysis by Treasury that the most appropriate assistance to provide was a discount at throughput for the use of Utah Point, to allow the junior miners to continue to export. All the input providers to Atlas and Mineral Resources also took discounts in their charges for the junior miners to keep them going, particularly in 2014–15 when the price dropped and in 2015–16. All the input providers provided discounts, including Utah. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : That is enough! Is there a supplementary question? Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. Nahan : I am not finished. The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Are you not finished? Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : I thought you told me to sit down. The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : I do want you to sit down; quickly through the Chair, thank you. Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : Treasury did analysis to keep the firms alive, to keep them exporting — Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Several members interjected. Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : They do export iron ore, you know. Members opposite are a bit backward. Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Ms R. Saffioti : How much was the cost? Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : It is all itemised. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan! Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : It will keep them alive. But the difference is — Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Ms R. Saffioti interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
The SPEAKER : Member for West Swan, I call you to order for the second time. If you want to ask a question, put your name down. Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
Dr M.D. NAHAN : The difference is that ABB, a global multinational, submitted a contract to provide transformers to Western Power. It has been doing that for a while. It was 40 per cent out of the money. Western Power was going to somebody else and buying those transformers. In the case of Utah and the junior miners, if we had not provided that, they would have gone out of business and there would be nothing.
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