❓ A parliamentary question challenges the benefits of the South West Metropolitan Railway (SWMR) compared to an extended busway, citing accessibility and journey time concerns. The answer defends the rail project, highlighting its superior capacity and broader public transport benefits, while accusing the opposition of inconsistency.
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(b) how will the people of Mandurah and Rockingham be better off with the SWMR, when it does not give access into the centre of either locality, whereas a bus on an extended busway could run into the heart of each; and (c) how will the people of Mandurah and Rockingham be better off with the SWMR, when the total journey times, door to door, for residents in the SWMR corridor will be longer via the rail option than by bus?
(c) how will the people of Mandurah and Rockingham be better off with the SWMR, when the total journey times, door to door, for residents in the SWMR corridor will be longer via the rail option than by bus?
It is interesting to note that the claims made in the question are the very same as those made by the group led by Mr Willy Packer who oppose any railway to the southern suburbs either via the Fast Direct Route or the previous Government’s discredited Kenwick Deviation. By contrast, the Gallop Government is unashamedly committed to getting people out of their cars and onto public transport. Buses are critical to the success of public transport in Western Australia but it is rail that is clearly able to turn those with a choice into public transport users. The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail. By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
By contrast, the Gallop Government is unashamedly committed to getting people out of their cars and onto public transport. Buses are critical to the success of public transport in Western Australia but it is rail that is clearly able to turn those with a choice into public transport users. The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail. By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
Buses are critical to the success of public transport in Western Australia but it is rail that is clearly able to turn those with a choice into public transport users. The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail. By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail. By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
(c) how will the people of Mandurah and Rockingham be better off with the SWMR, when the total journey times, door to door, for residents in the SWMR corridor will be longer via the rail option than by bus?
It is interesting to note that the claims made in the question are the very same as those made by the group led by Mr Willy Packer who oppose any railway to the southern suburbs either via the Fast Direct Route or the previous Government’s discredited Kenwick Deviation. By contrast, the Gallop Government is unashamedly committed to getting people out of their cars and onto public transport. Buses are critical to the success of public transport in Western Australia but it is rail that is clearly able to turn those with a choice into public transport users. The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail. By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
By contrast, the Gallop Government is unashamedly committed to getting people out of their cars and onto public transport. Buses are critical to the success of public transport in Western Australia but it is rail that is clearly able to turn those with a choice into public transport users. The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail. By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
Buses are critical to the success of public transport in Western Australia but it is rail that is clearly able to turn those with a choice into public transport users. The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail. By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail. By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services. An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers. Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%. In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%. The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant. The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows: Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction. I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction. To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required. I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
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Answered
16 June 2004
Responded by
Minister for Planning and Infrastructure
Response time
43 days
(a)-(c) It is clear from this question that the Opposition no longer supports the provision of a railway through the southern suburbs to Rockingham and Mandurah but are now supporting the use of buses to meet the public transport needs of people in the southern suburbs contrary to their commitment prior to the last election.
It is interesting to note that the claims made in the question are the very same as those made by the group led by Mr Willy Packer who oppose any railway to the southern suburbs either via the Fast Direct Route or the previous Government’s discredited Kenwick Deviation.
By contrast, the Gallop Government is unashamedly committed to getting people out of their cars and onto public transport.
Buses are critical to the success of public transport in Western Australia but it is rail that is clearly able to turn those with a choice into public transport users.
The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail.
By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services.
An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers.
Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%.
In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%.
The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant.
The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows:
Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle
Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins
Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins
Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins
While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction.
I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction.
To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required.
I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
It is interesting to note that the claims made in the question are the very same as those made by the group led by Mr Willy Packer who oppose any railway to the southern suburbs either via the Fast Direct Route or the previous Government’s discredited Kenwick Deviation.
By contrast, the Gallop Government is unashamedly committed to getting people out of their cars and onto public transport.
Buses are critical to the success of public transport in Western Australia but it is rail that is clearly able to turn those with a choice into public transport users.
The ABS publication 2001: Perth A Social Atlas, published in October 2002, showed by far the strongest use of public transport by commuters occurs in areas serviced by rail.
By contrast it was noted that the weakest area was the South West corridor to Rockingham and Mandurah even though those areas have high frequency bus services.
An analysis of public transport patronage in Perth and Adelaide, two cities of similar size and population, supports the position that rail is more likely to attract public transport passengers.
Between 1993/94, the first full year of operation of the Northern Suburbs Railway, and 2002/03 public transport patronage has increased by 25%.
In the same period in Adelaide, a predominantly bus based system with no investment in rail, public transport patronage has fallen by 8.1%.
The travel time difference between rail and bus are also significant.
The comparative travel times of the Fast Direct Railway, the Kenwick Deviation, bus and motor vehicle in the morning peak are as follows:
Trip Fast Direct Route Kenwick Deviation Bus Motor vehicle
Perth - Mandurah 48 mins 60 mins 73 mins 68 mins
Perth – Rockingham 33 mins 45 mins 57 mins 54 mins
Perth – Thomsons Lake 16 mins 28 mins 23 mins 34 mins
While the initial frequency will be in the order of 12 to 16 trains per hour, the Southern Suburbs Railway will be capable of carrying 20 trains per hour in either direction. Given that a six car train will have the capacity to carry approximately 900 passengers, this potential capacity represents a passenger carrying capacity of more than 18,000 passengers per hour in one direction.
I would be interested to hear about the bus way system anywhere in the world that can carry three times that volume, which is 54,000 passengers per hour in the one direction.
To carry 18,000 in one hour, 260 buses travelling 13 seconds apart would be required.
I would be interested to hear how the Kwinana Freeway Busway and the City bus stations could cope with the number of buses that would be required to carry the 18,000 passengers that could be carried by the railway, let alone the 54,000 passengers claimed in this question.
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