❓ Question regarding cost savings for a fast direct railway project compared to an alternative proposal. Minister explains savings through project modifications and criticises the opposition's previous plans and inaction.
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I listened intently to the debate on ABC Radio last week between the minister and the member for Carine, in which the member for Carine claimed that the fast direct railway will have to cost more than the Kenwick deviation because we will be building a tunnel under the city and new structures on the Mount Henry and Narrows Bridges. Will the minister please advise the House, and more particularly the member for Carine, how she will be able to achieve the cost savings to fund these works? Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN
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Mr Speaker - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN replied: Mr Speaker - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Mr Speaker - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
[See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN replied: Mr Speaker - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Mr Speaker - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
The SPEAKER: Order! Before the minister had uttered a few words a crescendo of noise came from the back, particularly from the member for South Perth, who knows a lot better than to do that. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I am glad that, like the population of Western Australia, the Opposition gets very excited about our rail project, because it is a fabulous project. I thank the member for Mandurah for the question, because like him I did feel sorry for the member for Carine. She obviously was in a state of high puzzlement and confusion, even though we have taken the opportunity time and again to explain to the member for Carine, the Leader of the Opposition and all the other members just exactly how we will be able to do this. I will go through it again, because it is important that the Opposition understands and our good friends in the fourth estate also understand just how this project can be delivered. Of course as we have said we will be cutting 11 kilometres off the rail journey and 12 minutes off the time. That means that we will be able to do the same job and move the same number of people with fewer railcars - instead of 117 railcars we will need only 93. That is a saving of $80 million. That is the first saving. Secondly, as part of the Opposition’s public transport package for this area, it was going to build stage 2 of the Kwinana Freeway bus project. We have always said that our project will incorporate that in a rail program. That is another $70 million that the Opposition would have had to spend that we will not have to spend. Thirdly, the Opposition was going to build two lines around the Rockingham area; one deviating around Rockingham - the Opposition loves deviation - and the other looping in a tunnel - it does not like tunnels - to send every second train into Rockingham city. This Government has decided that it will have only one line into Rockingham and it will go right into the heart of its residential area. That is a saving of another $70 million. Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Fourthly, we will build neither the railway stations between Glen Iris and Thornlie nor the tracks. Because we are not trying to bodgie up two railway lines by converting them into one, we have been able to cut back certain works between Perth and Kenwick. That is a saving of $170 million. If all these figures are added, it amounts to almost $400 million. That is how we are able to do this with an increase of only $15.5 million. Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms K. Hodson-Thomas: You are moving people from bus to rail. Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: What is really surprising is that when the Opposition was going to build a railway line, all new patrons were going to use it. However, when we build a railway line, suddenly the only people who will use it are the people who formerly travelled by bus. That is absolute nonsense. I thank the member for Carine; she has given us a question for next week. Every day, as part of our education program, we will address these issues. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition called on me to table the costings. We have provided the costings and have tabled them time and again. I can presume only that they have gone into the Barnett black hole. I am now holding up the total costings produced by the previous Government for its rail project; these are the total costings that were published. We have published more than twice that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
The SPEAKER: Members! Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
Ms A.J. MacTIERNAN: I point out that members opposite spent eight years in government and not one centimetre of rail was constructed. We have already built the rail line to Clarkson. [See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
[See papers Nos 1378 and 1379.]
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