❓ Opposition questions Minister about potential conflict of interest in planning decision due to past dispute with applicant's family. Minister denies bias, offers to recuse herself and allow tribunal to decide.
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I refer to the minister’s long-running family dispute with her former neighbours the Plunkett family, whose property was situated next door to the minister’s Harold Street, Highgate, house - Point of Order Mr J.C. KOBELKE : The opposition is making imputations about the Minister for Planning and Infrastructure. The very start of this question makes an imputation that is not a matter of a substantive motion before the house; it simply attempts to slur the minister. On that basis, I put to you, Mr Speaker, that the question is out of order. Mr D.F. BARRON-SULLIVAN : The minister has already agreed and confirmed in this house today that she had a dispute with the family. Consequently, the comment referred to by the member for Moore regarding the minister’s long-running family dispute is something that the minister herself has confirmed today. It is a matter of fact. The SPEAKER : I know that many members want to contribute. Certain members wish to contribute to every question asked in this house, even if they are not able to. This member’s question has started badly. However, I do not know what the question is because it has not been completed. I will make a decision after I have heard the question. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr G. SNOOK : Thank you, Mr Speaker. I repeat: I refer to the minister’s long-running family dispute with her former neighbours the Plunkett family, whose property was situated next door to the minister’s Harold Street, Highgate, house and, more specifically, to a letter written to the minister in 1992 from Marcus Plunkett, the minister’s neighbour at the time. The letter states in part - It has come to our attention that on two occasions you have entered our property situated at 98 Smith Street, Highgate, without permission an in the absence of any invitation. The first occasion occurred in early September this year . . . On that occasion you were asked to leave the premises. On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing. Given that the minister has decided to personally determine the Plunkett family appeal relating to the rejection of the Moore River subdivision proposal and given that the minister obviously has a massive conflict of interest because of her bitter neighbourhood dispute with the Plunkett family over many years, will the minister now stand aside from hearing this appeal; and if not, why not? The SPEAKER : The preamble of the question was somewhat erroneous but I am sure that the minister can answer the crux of the question. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN
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I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Mr D.F. BARRON-SULLIVAN : The minister has already agreed and confirmed in this house today that she had a dispute with the family. Consequently, the comment referred to by the member for Moore regarding the minister’s long-running family dispute is something that the minister herself has confirmed today. It is a matter of fact. The SPEAKER : I know that many members want to contribute. Certain members wish to contribute to every question asked in this house, even if they are not able to. This member’s question has started badly. However, I do not know what the question is because it has not been completed. I will make a decision after I have heard the question. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr G. SNOOK : Thank you, Mr Speaker. I repeat: I refer to the minister’s long-running family dispute with her former neighbours the Plunkett family, whose property was situated next door to the minister’s Harold Street, Highgate, house and, more specifically, to a letter written to the minister in 1992 from Marcus Plunkett, the minister’s neighbour at the time. The letter states in part - It has come to our attention that on two occasions you have entered our property situated at 98 Smith Street, Highgate, without permission an in the absence of any invitation. The first occasion occurred in early September this year . . . On that occasion you were asked to leave the premises. On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing. Given that the minister has decided to personally determine the Plunkett family appeal relating to the rejection of the Moore River subdivision proposal and given that the minister obviously has a massive conflict of interest because of her bitter neighbourhood dispute with the Plunkett family over many years, will the minister now stand aside from hearing this appeal; and if not, why not? The SPEAKER : The preamble of the question was somewhat erroneous but I am sure that the minister can answer the crux of the question. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN replied: I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : I know that many members want to contribute. Certain members wish to contribute to every question asked in this house, even if they are not able to. This member’s question has started badly. However, I do not know what the question is because it has not been completed. I will make a decision after I have heard the question. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr G. SNOOK : Thank you, Mr Speaker. I repeat: I refer to the minister’s long-running family dispute with her former neighbours the Plunkett family, whose property was situated next door to the minister’s Harold Street, Highgate, house and, more specifically, to a letter written to the minister in 1992 from Marcus Plunkett, the minister’s neighbour at the time. The letter states in part - It has come to our attention that on two occasions you have entered our property situated at 98 Smith Street, Highgate, without permission an in the absence of any invitation. The first occasion occurred in early September this year . . . On that occasion you were asked to leave the premises. On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing. Given that the minister has decided to personally determine the Plunkett family appeal relating to the rejection of the Moore River subdivision proposal and given that the minister obviously has a massive conflict of interest because of her bitter neighbourhood dispute with the Plunkett family over many years, will the minister now stand aside from hearing this appeal; and if not, why not? The SPEAKER : The preamble of the question was somewhat erroneous but I am sure that the minister can answer the crux of the question. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN replied: I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The first occasion occurred in early September this year . . . On that occasion you were asked to leave the premises. On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing.
On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing.
The SPEAKER : The preamble of the question was somewhat erroneous but I am sure that the minister can answer the crux of the question. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN replied: I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN replied: I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Mr D.F. BARRON-SULLIVAN : The minister has already agreed and confirmed in this house today that she had a dispute with the family. Consequently, the comment referred to by the member for Moore regarding the minister’s long-running family dispute is something that the minister herself has confirmed today. It is a matter of fact. The SPEAKER : I know that many members want to contribute. Certain members wish to contribute to every question asked in this house, even if they are not able to. This member’s question has started badly. However, I do not know what the question is because it has not been completed. I will make a decision after I have heard the question. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr G. SNOOK : Thank you, Mr Speaker. I repeat: I refer to the minister’s long-running family dispute with her former neighbours the Plunkett family, whose property was situated next door to the minister’s Harold Street, Highgate, house and, more specifically, to a letter written to the minister in 1992 from Marcus Plunkett, the minister’s neighbour at the time. The letter states in part - It has come to our attention that on two occasions you have entered our property situated at 98 Smith Street, Highgate, without permission an in the absence of any invitation. The first occasion occurred in early September this year . . . On that occasion you were asked to leave the premises. On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing. Given that the minister has decided to personally determine the Plunkett family appeal relating to the rejection of the Moore River subdivision proposal and given that the minister obviously has a massive conflict of interest because of her bitter neighbourhood dispute with the Plunkett family over many years, will the minister now stand aside from hearing this appeal; and if not, why not? The SPEAKER : The preamble of the question was somewhat erroneous but I am sure that the minister can answer the crux of the question. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN replied: I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : I know that many members want to contribute. Certain members wish to contribute to every question asked in this house, even if they are not able to. This member’s question has started badly. However, I do not know what the question is because it has not been completed. I will make a decision after I have heard the question. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr G. SNOOK : Thank you, Mr Speaker. I repeat: I refer to the minister’s long-running family dispute with her former neighbours the Plunkett family, whose property was situated next door to the minister’s Harold Street, Highgate, house and, more specifically, to a letter written to the minister in 1992 from Marcus Plunkett, the minister’s neighbour at the time. The letter states in part - It has come to our attention that on two occasions you have entered our property situated at 98 Smith Street, Highgate, without permission an in the absence of any invitation. The first occasion occurred in early September this year . . . On that occasion you were asked to leave the premises. On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing. Given that the minister has decided to personally determine the Plunkett family appeal relating to the rejection of the Moore River subdivision proposal and given that the minister obviously has a massive conflict of interest because of her bitter neighbourhood dispute with the Plunkett family over many years, will the minister now stand aside from hearing this appeal; and if not, why not? The SPEAKER : The preamble of the question was somewhat erroneous but I am sure that the minister can answer the crux of the question. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN replied: I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The first occasion occurred in early September this year . . . On that occasion you were asked to leave the premises. On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing.
On the 10 October you again entered the property whereupon you were asked three times to leave the property and were also informed that you were trespassing.
The SPEAKER : The preamble of the question was somewhat erroneous but I am sure that the minister can answer the crux of the question. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN replied: I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN replied: I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
I find it absolutely pathetic that it is being suggested that I have dreamt up the opposition to this proposal and that I alone am opposing this development out of some personal spite. I will explain the context of this. At that time I was a councillor on the City of Perth and there was a great deal of concern in the neighbourhood about the factory operating outside the hours for which it was authorised to operate. In fact, it would operate on Saturdays and Sundays. They were claiming that they were not operating on those days. I was trying to get some evidence of this operation that they were denying was occurring. Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms S.E. Walker : You could not remember anything just now. Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Dr K.D. Hames : You didn’t a moment ago - The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call to order the member for Dawesville and the member for Nedlands. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : As the member for Perth says, this was a very controversial operation because they were using those premises outside the times that they were supposed to. If it is seriously being suggested that I have called in the appeal for this reason, I am certainly prepared to consider allowing this to be determined by the State Administrative Tribunal. I think it is an outrageous allegation and one that demeans the opposition, but if there is a perception on the part of the proponent of some bias, I will certainly consider the capacity that I have to allow - Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Consider or allow? Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : To allow - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : Order! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am going to answer this question. Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Mr J.N. Hyde : Graham Kierath never did this! The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : Order! I know the member for Perth thinks he is assisting, but he is not. I call him to order for the first time. Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : I am very serious about these questions of integrity. It absolutely never occurred to me that any of these issues - Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN : They related to a time back in the early 1990s and a dispute about noise in a factory that was subsequently closed down and demolished. If the appellant had that perception of bias, I am more than prepared to withdraw that, if I can, and I will obviously have to check the legal entitlement. I made it clear that I was not going to hear the matter myself, and that I would have the matter considered by the tribunal. The tribunal is in the process of doing that. This is a ludicrous suggestion, but one I am more than prepared to address.
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