❓ A parliamentary question regarding the Leader of the House's consultation with Hon Ed Dermer before a vote on the Labour Relations Reform Bill. The Leader denies discussing the next speaker with the Whip at that moment.
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LABOUR RELATIONS REFORM BILL 2002, SECOND READING VOTE
The Leader of the House went into a huddle with Hon Ed Dermer prior to making a decision about the vote on the second reading of the Labour Relations Reform Bill. Did Hon Ed Dermer advise the leader or did the leader ask him who the next non-government speaker was scheduled to be? Hon KIM CHANCE
The Leader of the House went into a huddle with Hon Ed Dermer prior to making a decision about the vote on the second reading of the Labour Relations Reform Bill. Did Hon Ed Dermer advise the leader or did the leader ask him who the next non-government speaker was scheduled to be? Hon KIM CHANCE
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I did not discuss with the government Whip who the next speaker would be. I am not even sure that I discussed anything to do with the questions that I faced in making that decision. Several members interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE replied: I did not discuss with the government Whip who the next speaker would be. I am not even sure that I discussed anything to do with the questions that I faced in making that decision. Several members interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
I did not discuss with the government Whip who the next speaker would be. I am not even sure that I discussed anything to do with the questions that I faced in making that decision. Several members interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Several members interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE replied: I did not discuss with the government Whip who the next speaker would be. I am not even sure that I discussed anything to do with the questions that I faced in making that decision. Several members interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
I did not discuss with the government Whip who the next speaker would be. I am not even sure that I discussed anything to do with the questions that I faced in making that decision. Several members interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Several members interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE: He may have been, but I do not recall him communicating anything to me directly; I do not believe he did. We must look at the circumstances and perhaps not read too much into them. Given that many members were not in the Chamber at the time, it would be appropriate for me to explain what happened. I was not timing with any degree of accuracy - such as with a stopwatch - the amount of time I had to make the decision. I believe that about 45 to 50 seconds elapsed between realising that I had to make a decision and making it. That is the time I had to consult with my colleagues. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
The PRESIDENT: Order! The Minister for Housing will come to order so that the Leader of the House can be heard. Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE: I am being very specific about that time frame. The period between realising that a decision had to be made and making it was a little less than one minute. In that 45 to 50 seconds, I spoke to Hon Tom Stephens and Hon Nick Griffiths, and they put views to me. It is possible that the Whip may have leaned over my shoulder and said something; however, I have no recollection of him saying anything about a speaking order. The government Whip has since told me that he had discussed a speaking order with me about four hours prior to that. I do not remember that either. In the time between the idea coming into my mind and making the decision, I consulted with the ministers. Hon Ken Travers may have also said something to me. Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon Ken Travers: I was not here. Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Okay. Principally, the two ministers on my right gave me their advice. I considered their advice and I made my decision. I looked across the floor to see if I could take advice from a member opposite; sadly, I was not able to do that. Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon Peter Foss: Perhaps that is why Hon Tom Stephens went to seek advice from Hon Paddy Embry. Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Hon Tom Stephens possibly went to seek the advice of Hon Paddy Embry. However, I had already made up my mind, and I put my decision into effect.
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