❓ A supplementary question accuses the Minister for Regional Development of misleading Parliament regarding the activities of Mr. Carew-Hopkins and the Shire of Shark Bay. The Minister defends his answer and deflects by referencing previous comments made by another member about the Shire.
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MINISTER FOR REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT — CONFIDENCE IN DIRECTOR GENERAL OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND CONSERVATION
I have a supplementary question. In view of the fact that the minister’s answer yesterday covered the activities of Mr Carew-Hopkins, or appeared to do so, is the minister not the second minister to have misled Parliament in this question time? Mr B.J. GRYLLS
I have a supplementary question. In view of the fact that the minister’s answer yesterday covered the activities of Mr Carew-Hopkins, or appeared to do so, is the minister not the second minister to have misled Parliament in this question time? Mr B.J. GRYLLS
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I have checked my answer in Hansard yesterday. Quite clearly, in answer to the question I referred to myself and my staff, and I am satisfied that my answer did not mislead the house. Can I say once again that I have made very clear my involvement in this matter. In terms of reflecting poorly on the Shire of Shark Bay, which the Leader of the Opposition seems happy to do, I refer to the comments made by the member for Rockingham in this Parliament last week about the elected representatives of the Shire of Shark Bay. This is a quote from Hansard — Mr McNamara had a difficult relationship, it has to be said, with the Shire of Shark Bay, and I understand why. The establishment, if we like, of Denham and that community was extremely hostile to anyone who had any commitment to conservation and the environment. In that area it was largely about the conservation aspects . . . The member for Rockingham was quite happy to drag up — Point of Order Mr P.B. WATSON : Mr Speaker, I have a question about relevance. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr B.J. GRYLLS replied: I have checked my answer in Hansard yesterday. Quite clearly, in answer to the question I referred to myself and my staff, and I am satisfied that my answer did not mislead the house. Can I say once again that I have made very clear my involvement in this matter. In terms of reflecting poorly on the Shire of Shark Bay, which the Leader of the Opposition seems happy to do, I refer to the comments made by the member for Rockingham in this Parliament last week about the elected representatives of the Shire of Shark Bay. This is a quote from Hansard — Mr McNamara had a difficult relationship, it has to be said, with the Shire of Shark Bay, and I understand why. The establishment, if we like, of Denham and that community was extremely hostile to anyone who had any commitment to conservation and the environment. In that area it was largely about the conservation aspects . . . The member for Rockingham was quite happy to drag up — Point of Order Mr P.B. WATSON : Mr Speaker, I have a question about relevance. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
I have checked my answer in Hansard yesterday. Quite clearly, in answer to the question I referred to myself and my staff, and I am satisfied that my answer did not mislead the house. Can I say once again that I have made very clear my involvement in this matter. In terms of reflecting poorly on the Shire of Shark Bay, which the Leader of the Opposition seems happy to do, I refer to the comments made by the member for Rockingham in this Parliament last week about the elected representatives of the Shire of Shark Bay. This is a quote from Hansard — Mr McNamara had a difficult relationship, it has to be said, with the Shire of Shark Bay, and I understand why. The establishment, if we like, of Denham and that community was extremely hostile to anyone who had any commitment to conservation and the environment. In that area it was largely about the conservation aspects . . . The member for Rockingham was quite happy to drag up — Point of Order Mr P.B. WATSON : Mr Speaker, I have a question about relevance. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr B.J. GRYLLS replied: I have checked my answer in Hansard yesterday. Quite clearly, in answer to the question I referred to myself and my staff, and I am satisfied that my answer did not mislead the house. Can I say once again that I have made very clear my involvement in this matter. In terms of reflecting poorly on the Shire of Shark Bay, which the Leader of the Opposition seems happy to do, I refer to the comments made by the member for Rockingham in this Parliament last week about the elected representatives of the Shire of Shark Bay. This is a quote from Hansard — Mr McNamara had a difficult relationship, it has to be said, with the Shire of Shark Bay, and I understand why. The establishment, if we like, of Denham and that community was extremely hostile to anyone who had any commitment to conservation and the environment. In that area it was largely about the conservation aspects . . . The member for Rockingham was quite happy to drag up — Point of Order Mr P.B. WATSON : Mr Speaker, I have a question about relevance. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
I have checked my answer in Hansard yesterday. Quite clearly, in answer to the question I referred to myself and my staff, and I am satisfied that my answer did not mislead the house. Can I say once again that I have made very clear my involvement in this matter. In terms of reflecting poorly on the Shire of Shark Bay, which the Leader of the Opposition seems happy to do, I refer to the comments made by the member for Rockingham in this Parliament last week about the elected representatives of the Shire of Shark Bay. This is a quote from Hansard — Mr McNamara had a difficult relationship, it has to be said, with the Shire of Shark Bay, and I understand why. The establishment, if we like, of Denham and that community was extremely hostile to anyone who had any commitment to conservation and the environment. In that area it was largely about the conservation aspects . . . The member for Rockingham was quite happy to drag up — Point of Order Mr P.B. WATSON : Mr Speaker, I have a question about relevance. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Minister, continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr B.J. GRYLLS : The member for Rockingham goes on to say about the Shire of Shark Bay council — One councillor, as I recall—this is not a joke—held the natural environment in such contempt that he went on national television and alleged that dolphins are paedophiles. Mr M. McGowan : He did! It was on Four Corners ! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : That is the level of behaviour that the member for Rockingham brings to this Parliament. Does the member think that is becoming to having a relationship with the Shire of Shark Bay? Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr M. McGowan : That is what he said! Am I not allowed to tell the truth? You endorsed what he said! That is what he said! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Rockingham! If I recall accurately, this question has been asked of this minister in this place before. I believe that at this point the minister is providing some further detail. Some people may not consider it to be relevant, but I decide the question and its relevance. I ask the minister to wind his answer up very quickly, and I ask members to my left to hear the minister out. I ask the minister to wind this up very rapidly. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Name the dolphins! The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the member for Armadale formally for the second time. The minister. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : I have made it clear that my involvement with the Shire of Shark Bay was to help it deal with the issues in its community. I made it clear in the answer to the question yesterday that neither myself nor my officer had had any contact with or applied any coercion to the Shire of Shark Bay. Can I say that Derek Carew-Hopkins is no longer in my employ, and I cannot speak for him. If members opposite have an allegation, make it! Do not keep dragging this through the Parliament. If they have an allegation, make it! Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : If they have an allegation, make it!
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