❓ A parliamentary question regarding WA year 3 students' literacy and numeracy results compared to national benchmarks. The Minister denies conducting a review and highlights issues with state-by-state comparisons due to differing school starting ages and testing methodologies.
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I refer the minister to an article in the Sunday Times on 12 March about year 3 students in Western Australia achieving below-average marks for numeracy and literacy measured against the national benchmarks, yet coming second in Australia for reading. The reason the minister gave was that year 3 children in Western Australia are younger than year 3 children in other states. However, if they are good at reading but not good at writing and numeracy, that reason does not seem to hold up. I ask the minister about the 2004 results, as she ought to be across this subject. The PRESIDENT : Order, member! Please ask your question. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : When was the review put in place; who will conduct the review; and when and to whom will the review be reported? The minister is conducting a review on these findings. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, I am not. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH
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I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
The PRESIDENT : Order, member! Please ask your question. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : When was the review put in place; who will conduct the review; and when and to whom will the review be reported? The minister is conducting a review on these findings. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, I am not. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon BARBARA SCOTT : When was the review put in place; who will conduct the review; and when and to whom will the review be reported? The minister is conducting a review on these findings. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, I am not. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, I am not. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
The PRESIDENT : Order, member! Please ask your question. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : When was the review put in place; who will conduct the review; and when and to whom will the review be reported? The minister is conducting a review on these findings. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, I am not. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon BARBARA SCOTT : When was the review put in place; who will conduct the review; and when and to whom will the review be reported? The minister is conducting a review on these findings. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, I am not. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, I am not. Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon BARBARA SCOTT : Was the report in the Sunday Times incorrect? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
I thank the member for that question. Literacy and numeracy benchmarking results - Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : Numeracy and writing. The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
The PRESIDENT : Hon Barbara Scott has asked a question; the minister wishes to answer it. Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : She doesn’t have the question in front of her. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I have the results. I am holding up for members to see the national benchmark results in reading, writing and numeracy for years 3, 5 and 7. That is the report. Has the member looked at this report? Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : Yes. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Has the member read it? Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : I have looked closely at it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member has looked really closely at it. If the honourable member had looked very closely at it, the first thing she would have realised is that it states very clearly that she must avoid state-by-state comparisons. Does the member know why it states that? It is because - Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
The PRESIDENT : Order! I want the Minister for Education and Training to answer the question, but it is very difficult for her to do so if she is being interjected upon. Please answer the question and perhaps Hon Barbara Scott will remain silent for a few moments. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Each state conducts its own test. Then all these tests - Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : No. Answer the question. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Yes they do. Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott : I didn’t say that. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The member did not know that? Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott interjected. The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
The PRESIDENT : I ask Hon Barbara Scott to please be quiet. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Basically then those results are actually benchmarked at a national level, and that provides national data. The report cautions very strongly against making state-by-state comparisons. Apart from anything else, the school starting ages differ. Western Australian children are up to 13 months younger than students in the same year in some other jurisdictions. Another issue is that of formal time spent in education by the students, given the later school starting ages in some states. In addition, issues of statistical methodologies contribute to measurement uncertainty. All of this is explained in the National Report on Schooling in Australia , and made very clear. I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
I look forward to 2010 because, by then, reading, writing and numeracy testing for years 3, 5 and 7 will be standardised throughout the nation. The government acknowledged during the debate earlier that 7.5 per cent of students in Western Australia are indigenous. Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon Barbara Scott interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Hon Barbara Scott is very ignorant. She should learn something because she has been in this place for a helluva long time. I am providing an answer that is quite technical, although the member understands only yes or no answers. The member’s question warrants an answer that is quite technical. I want the member to understand that from 2010 we will be able to compare apples with apples because all students in years 3, 5 and 7 will sit the same national test. At that time, the school starting age of all students across the nation will be comparable. When they sit the standardised test, they will have had the same amount of schooling. The uniform starting age was agreed to at the Ministerial Council on Education, Employment, Training and Youth Affairs. That standard test will provide a truly comparable assessment of our students’ abilities.
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