❓ Question regarding Premier Carpenter's stance on Hon Shelley Archer's involvement as a go-between for Brian Burke and cabinet ministers, and whether he will ban ministerial contact with her. The Premier deflects and questions the Leader of the National Party's own lobbying activities.
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HON SHELLEY ARCHER - BAN ON MINISTERIAL CONTACT
The Premier told this house on Tuesday - The effect that Brian Burke and Julian Grill are having on politics, governance and business in this state is pernicious and malignant, and it needs to be stopped. I intend to do everything I possibly can as an individual, as a member of the Labor Party, as a member of the government and as Premier of the state to stop what is happening permanently. Given that Hon Shelley Archer, a member for Mining and Pastoral Region, admitted in the Corruption and Crime Commission yesterday - transcript page 973 - that she was acting as the go-between between Brian Burke and cabinet ministers, will the Premier now ban all ministerial contact with Hon Shelley Archer? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
The Premier told this house on Tuesday - The effect that Brian Burke and Julian Grill are having on politics, governance and business in this state is pernicious and malignant, and it needs to be stopped. I intend to do everything I possibly can as an individual, as a member of the Labor Party, as a member of the government and as Premier of the state to stop what is happening permanently. Given that Hon Shelley Archer, a member for Mining and Pastoral Region, admitted in the Corruption and Crime Commission yesterday - transcript page 973 - that she was acting as the go-between between Brian Burke and cabinet ministers, will the Premier now ban all ministerial contact with Hon Shelley Archer? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
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I thank the Leader of the National Party for the question. I ask the Leader of the National Party - Mr C.J. Barnett : Answer the question! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the Leader of the National Party for the question. I ask the Leader of the National Party - Mr C.J. Barnett : Answer the question! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
I thank the Leader of the National Party for the question. I ask the Leader of the National Party - Mr C.J. Barnett : Answer the question! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr C.J. Barnett : Answer the question! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the Leader of the National Party for the question. I ask the Leader of the National Party - Mr C.J. Barnett : Answer the question! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
I thank the Leader of the National Party for the question. I ask the Leader of the National Party - Mr C.J. Barnett : Answer the question! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr C.J. Barnett : Answer the question! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I will. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Cottesloe! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Cottesloe has a very unfortunate manner. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : That is a characteristic that has held him back in his political aspirations. Every member opposite knows what I am talking about. Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a facilitator or go-between between any lobby group and a minister of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr B.J. Grylls : Not to my knowledge - certainly not with Brian Burke and Julian Grill! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am not talking about Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Has the Leader of the National Party ever acted as a go-between between lobbyists, project proponents and ministers of the government? Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr B.J. Grylls : I talk to many different people. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : So the Leader of the National Party has acted as a go-between? Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr B.J. Grylls : Never with Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The question I had to face was not whether acting as a go-between between lobbyists and ministers is in and of itself an act that requires a member to be thrown out of Parliament - Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I had to look at the actions that Hon Shelley Archer took on that matter. Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr P.D. Omodei : Pernicious and malignant! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Brian Burke and Julian Grill? Yes, they are. There is no question about that. The question I had to ask was: were Hon Shelley Archer’s actions sufficiently grave to warrant her being thrown out of the state Parliamentary Labor Party? I believe her actions were completely wrong. I have told her that, and I have told the Parliament that. I have told the Parliament that if Hon Shelley Archer had been a minister, I would have stripped her of her portfolios. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : This is interesting. A member opposite has just introduced Kevin Reynolds into the subject. Why? Is Kevin Reynolds sitting in the Parliament? Is Kevin Reynolds the person I am dealing with? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am dealing with an individual, on the merits of the situation that individual finds herself in. I am not dealing with Kevin Reynolds. Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr T. Buswell : They are one and the same. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I am afraid that portrays some of the thinking that is capturing members opposite. I had to make a decision. I have made it and I have explained to the Parliament and I have explained outside what it is. If people think that decision is not right, they will make a judgment about that as well. However, in the process of what I am doing, I must maintain what I consider to be my own sense of propriety on what is right and wrong and about how I behave and what I do as an individual. Do not expect me to stand wielding an axe and chopping off heads right, left and centre. I have to make decisions on the basis of the information. Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Ms S.E. Walker : There it is. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have made my decision and the member for Nedlands disagrees with it; I understand that. I have made that decision and I will be judged on it. Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr P.D. Omodei : And you won’t be intimidated by big Kev. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No. Does the Leader of the Opposition think I am intimidated? Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr P.D. Omodei : By big Kev. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Speaker - Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr T. Buswell interjected. The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
The SPEAKER : I ask the Premier to take his seat. I have not called the member for Vasse to order today, which is surprising, but I call him to order now. Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr T. Buswell : I am on my tablets, Mr Speaker! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : We need not go over that ground. It is not a matter of intimidation at all; it is a matter of what I am viewing and how I think I should act. I must make sure that the people I am acting on behalf of remain confident that I am doing the right thing for the right reasons. I have to know that myself. I cannot do things and behave in ways that I think are wrong or not proper, or are completely and utterly over the top. However, if a circumstance requires me to take the sort of action the Leader of the National Party is talking about, I will take it; no problem.
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