❓ Premier Carpenter updates the house on efforts by the WA community and government to reduce energy use following the Apache Energy gas plant explosion, highlighting positive responses and implemented measures.
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APACHE ENERGY GAS PLANT EXPLOSION — EFFORTS TO REDUCE ENERGY CONSUMPTION
Can the Premier update the house on efforts being made by the Western Australian community and the government to reduce energy use during the current energy shortage? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
Can the Premier update the house on efforts being made by the Western Australian community and the government to reduce energy use during the current energy shortage? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
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I thank the member for Albany for the question. As I said in response to the first question from the Leader of the Opposition, I am very heartened by the positive response we have had from all players that I have so far come across engaged in this issue, be they large, medium or small firms, or individuals. It has been absolutely outstanding. It has helped the government to manage the situation in a way that is as good as we can get in these circumstances. Western Australia faces a very serious situation. As I have said before, not three, five or 10 per cent, but 30 per cent of Western Australia’s domestic gas supply has been cut off because of the incident on Varanus Island. That is a major blow to the state’s gas supply. It is up to the state government, the appropriate authority, to take the lead role and it has; I have briefed the Parliament on that. I think the Speaker took a role himself—perhaps it was the Clerk, as well—by introducing measures at Parliament House to cut electricity use. In fact, the load was cut by 17.5 per cent by reducing lighting and air conditioning, and that is a jolly good thing too. Well done, Mr Speaker, for setting an example. I am sure the community recognises that. I will go through a couple of other measures taken. At Kings Park, the Botanic Gardens and Parks Authority has cut operating hours for pumps and fountains at the Pioneer Women’s Memorial, Synergy Parkland and the reflection pond. Perth Zoo has placed timers on watering units around the zoo and cut air conditioning use to save power. Tourism Western Australia has relocated some call centre staff, enabling lights and equipment to be shut down. In other departments—I sent out a directive to this effect last week—selected lifts have been turned off, gas boilers for air conditioning have been turned down and de-lamping of fluorescent lights is occurring; that is, reducing the number. Every little bit helps. We had a good response yesterday from the Property Council of Australia with the state government and Parliament taking the lead in showing what can be done. Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Albany for the question. As I said in response to the first question from the Leader of the Opposition, I am very heartened by the positive response we have had from all players that I have so far come across engaged in this issue, be they large, medium or small firms, or individuals. It has been absolutely outstanding. It has helped the government to manage the situation in a way that is as good as we can get in these circumstances. Western Australia faces a very serious situation. As I have said before, not three, five or 10 per cent, but 30 per cent of Western Australia’s domestic gas supply has been cut off because of the incident on Varanus Island. That is a major blow to the state’s gas supply. It is up to the state government, the appropriate authority, to take the lead role and it has; I have briefed the Parliament on that. I think the Speaker took a role himself—perhaps it was the Clerk, as well—by introducing measures at Parliament House to cut electricity use. In fact, the load was cut by 17.5 per cent by reducing lighting and air conditioning, and that is a jolly good thing too. Well done, Mr Speaker, for setting an example. I am sure the community recognises that. I will go through a couple of other measures taken. At Kings Park, the Botanic Gardens and Parks Authority has cut operating hours for pumps and fountains at the Pioneer Women’s Memorial, Synergy Parkland and the reflection pond. Perth Zoo has placed timers on watering units around the zoo and cut air conditioning use to save power. Tourism Western Australia has relocated some call centre staff, enabling lights and equipment to be shut down. In other departments—I sent out a directive to this effect last week—selected lifts have been turned off, gas boilers for air conditioning have been turned down and de-lamping of fluorescent lights is occurring; that is, reducing the number. Every little bit helps. We had a good response yesterday from the Property Council of Australia with the state government and Parliament taking the lead in showing what can be done. Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
I thank the member for Albany for the question. As I said in response to the first question from the Leader of the Opposition, I am very heartened by the positive response we have had from all players that I have so far come across engaged in this issue, be they large, medium or small firms, or individuals. It has been absolutely outstanding. It has helped the government to manage the situation in a way that is as good as we can get in these circumstances. Western Australia faces a very serious situation. As I have said before, not three, five or 10 per cent, but 30 per cent of Western Australia’s domestic gas supply has been cut off because of the incident on Varanus Island. That is a major blow to the state’s gas supply. It is up to the state government, the appropriate authority, to take the lead role and it has; I have briefed the Parliament on that. I think the Speaker took a role himself—perhaps it was the Clerk, as well—by introducing measures at Parliament House to cut electricity use. In fact, the load was cut by 17.5 per cent by reducing lighting and air conditioning, and that is a jolly good thing too. Well done, Mr Speaker, for setting an example. I am sure the community recognises that. I will go through a couple of other measures taken. At Kings Park, the Botanic Gardens and Parks Authority has cut operating hours for pumps and fountains at the Pioneer Women’s Memorial, Synergy Parkland and the reflection pond. Perth Zoo has placed timers on watering units around the zoo and cut air conditioning use to save power. Tourism Western Australia has relocated some call centre staff, enabling lights and equipment to be shut down. In other departments—I sent out a directive to this effect last week—selected lifts have been turned off, gas boilers for air conditioning have been turned down and de-lamping of fluorescent lights is occurring; that is, reducing the number. Every little bit helps. We had a good response yesterday from the Property Council of Australia with the state government and Parliament taking the lead in showing what can be done. Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
I think the Speaker took a role himself—perhaps it was the Clerk, as well—by introducing measures at Parliament House to cut electricity use. In fact, the load was cut by 17.5 per cent by reducing lighting and air conditioning, and that is a jolly good thing too. Well done, Mr Speaker, for setting an example. I am sure the community recognises that. I will go through a couple of other measures taken. At Kings Park, the Botanic Gardens and Parks Authority has cut operating hours for pumps and fountains at the Pioneer Women’s Memorial, Synergy Parkland and the reflection pond. Perth Zoo has placed timers on watering units around the zoo and cut air conditioning use to save power. Tourism Western Australia has relocated some call centre staff, enabling lights and equipment to be shut down. In other departments—I sent out a directive to this effect last week—selected lifts have been turned off, gas boilers for air conditioning have been turned down and de-lamping of fluorescent lights is occurring; that is, reducing the number. Every little bit helps. We had a good response yesterday from the Property Council of Australia with the state government and Parliament taking the lead in showing what can be done. Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Albany for the question. As I said in response to the first question from the Leader of the Opposition, I am very heartened by the positive response we have had from all players that I have so far come across engaged in this issue, be they large, medium or small firms, or individuals. It has been absolutely outstanding. It has helped the government to manage the situation in a way that is as good as we can get in these circumstances. Western Australia faces a very serious situation. As I have said before, not three, five or 10 per cent, but 30 per cent of Western Australia’s domestic gas supply has been cut off because of the incident on Varanus Island. That is a major blow to the state’s gas supply. It is up to the state government, the appropriate authority, to take the lead role and it has; I have briefed the Parliament on that. I think the Speaker took a role himself—perhaps it was the Clerk, as well—by introducing measures at Parliament House to cut electricity use. In fact, the load was cut by 17.5 per cent by reducing lighting and air conditioning, and that is a jolly good thing too. Well done, Mr Speaker, for setting an example. I am sure the community recognises that. I will go through a couple of other measures taken. At Kings Park, the Botanic Gardens and Parks Authority has cut operating hours for pumps and fountains at the Pioneer Women’s Memorial, Synergy Parkland and the reflection pond. Perth Zoo has placed timers on watering units around the zoo and cut air conditioning use to save power. Tourism Western Australia has relocated some call centre staff, enabling lights and equipment to be shut down. In other departments—I sent out a directive to this effect last week—selected lifts have been turned off, gas boilers for air conditioning have been turned down and de-lamping of fluorescent lights is occurring; that is, reducing the number. Every little bit helps. We had a good response yesterday from the Property Council of Australia with the state government and Parliament taking the lead in showing what can be done. Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
I thank the member for Albany for the question. As I said in response to the first question from the Leader of the Opposition, I am very heartened by the positive response we have had from all players that I have so far come across engaged in this issue, be they large, medium or small firms, or individuals. It has been absolutely outstanding. It has helped the government to manage the situation in a way that is as good as we can get in these circumstances. Western Australia faces a very serious situation. As I have said before, not three, five or 10 per cent, but 30 per cent of Western Australia’s domestic gas supply has been cut off because of the incident on Varanus Island. That is a major blow to the state’s gas supply. It is up to the state government, the appropriate authority, to take the lead role and it has; I have briefed the Parliament on that. I think the Speaker took a role himself—perhaps it was the Clerk, as well—by introducing measures at Parliament House to cut electricity use. In fact, the load was cut by 17.5 per cent by reducing lighting and air conditioning, and that is a jolly good thing too. Well done, Mr Speaker, for setting an example. I am sure the community recognises that. I will go through a couple of other measures taken. At Kings Park, the Botanic Gardens and Parks Authority has cut operating hours for pumps and fountains at the Pioneer Women’s Memorial, Synergy Parkland and the reflection pond. Perth Zoo has placed timers on watering units around the zoo and cut air conditioning use to save power. Tourism Western Australia has relocated some call centre staff, enabling lights and equipment to be shut down. In other departments—I sent out a directive to this effect last week—selected lifts have been turned off, gas boilers for air conditioning have been turned down and de-lamping of fluorescent lights is occurring; that is, reducing the number. Every little bit helps. We had a good response yesterday from the Property Council of Australia with the state government and Parliament taking the lead in showing what can be done. Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
I think the Speaker took a role himself—perhaps it was the Clerk, as well—by introducing measures at Parliament House to cut electricity use. In fact, the load was cut by 17.5 per cent by reducing lighting and air conditioning, and that is a jolly good thing too. Well done, Mr Speaker, for setting an example. I am sure the community recognises that. I will go through a couple of other measures taken. At Kings Park, the Botanic Gardens and Parks Authority has cut operating hours for pumps and fountains at the Pioneer Women’s Memorial, Synergy Parkland and the reflection pond. Perth Zoo has placed timers on watering units around the zoo and cut air conditioning use to save power. Tourism Western Australia has relocated some call centre staff, enabling lights and equipment to be shut down. In other departments—I sent out a directive to this effect last week—selected lifts have been turned off, gas boilers for air conditioning have been turned down and de-lamping of fluorescent lights is occurring; that is, reducing the number. Every little bit helps. We had a good response yesterday from the Property Council of Australia with the state government and Parliament taking the lead in showing what can be done. Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Tonight I will make a brief—I think it is one minute, 54 seconds—community service announcement on television outlining the current energy situation and how people can help. I like to think that it will help and I thank the television networks for their assistance. I am very grateful to the TV networks for providing the government with an opportunity to get a message directly out to the community of Western Australia. I anticipate that it will be more effective than the efforts we have tried so far and I am therefore grateful. I also take this opportunity to remind people about our telephone hotlines — Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : Another hotline. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The hotlines are for people seeking advice about workplace or energy issues — Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Dr S.C. Thomas : It is a good idea. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, it is a good idea. Those hotlines are in place and to date, thankfully, only a very small number of calls have been received, which I think reflects upward on the way the situation is being managed in the first instance. The worker hotline has received only three calls. The energy smart hotline has received only two calls, which I think is a positive reflection on our management of the issue. I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
I was stunned—I thought he had left the federal Parliament—by the re-emergence in federal Parliament of Ian Macfarlane, the former energy minister, who was giving us advice, apparently, from the opposition benches about how we should manage our domestic gas situation in this state. Remember, this is the same Mr Macfarlane who leapt into us with some gusto over our domestic gas policy. On radio this morning, I heard him say — At the very least this event comes as a wake-up call for the construction of a second pipeline from the North West shelf to supply gas to industry especially in the south-western part of Western Australia. If it was up to Ian Macfarlane, there would be nothing in that pipeline—nothing! Ian Macfarlane would have been quite happy to sit and watch all our gas sail off over the horizon as liquefied natural gas, so long as that was what the market determined. I am amazed that he would have the cheek to stick his head up and start proffering advice. I think he should put his head back down and best be forgotten because he has absolutely no credibility. Ian Macfarlane has absolutely no credibility on this issue, because if it was up to Ian Macfarlane, Western Australia would have no domestic gas supplies if that gas could be sold as LNG. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is true! He stood in front of a meeting of international investors and said that our domestic gas policy was nonsensical, sheer folly, irrational, dangerous and damaging to our international credibility. Mr Macfarlane wanted to ship all our gas overseas if that was what the market determined. Under his policy, there would be nothing in those gas pipelines, if they were there, except probably hot air, and that is what he is expelling. It is also very interesting to see today the Australian Pipeline Industry Association’s response to his commentary about the second pipeline. The development of the pipeline is contingent upon demand. No-one will build a second pipeline in the hope that some day there might be some gas in it. We have gone way beyond that. The Australian Pipeline Industry Association has shredded his foolish commentary. If there is no demand, there will be no second pipeline. Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is because we are creating the opportunity for domestic gas to be piped into the Western Australian — Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : What did he say about storing gas in Perth? The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do not think he said anything about storing gas in Perth, quite frankly. Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : You will want to go back and check—he did. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition should scan his back bench for advice because some members opposite have some knowledge about it. The way to store gas in bulk is by refrigerating it, which ends up as liquefied natural gas. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. There is geosequestration. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : If LNG were to be used, an LNG facility would be needed here. Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : Not necessarily. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes. The Mondarra geosequestration facility is a large depleted gas reserve in the Dongara basin. That facility is used for storing gas but its capacity is about 10 terajoules a day. It would be impossible to have an underground gas storage facility to meet the needs of the current critical situation. It would be a huge facility. It would be so huge that it would be the same size as the gas reserve from which the gas is being drawn in the first instance. If gas is to be stored in bulk, it must be frozen. It is cooled and then refrigerated. That is called LNG. As anybody with any knowledge of the industry would tell the Leader of the Opposition, a degasification plant is rather expensive. Nobody would build a degasification plant — Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr T. Buswell : Regasification. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : A regasification plant. Nobody would build it on the off-chance that it might be needed in the case of an emergency. That has not happened anywhere in the world. I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
I refer back to Ian Macfarlane and our policy to store 15 per cent of our gas reserve for domestic purposes. At that stage, the policy was well received and we got bipartisan support for what was once our controversial 15 per cent domestic gas policy. Imagine where WA would be in the future if we did not have such a policy. Ian Macfarlane said that it was madness. He stood up in front of a conference of international investors in this area while I was sitting on the stage and attacked me. He said that Western Australia was the worst place in the world to invest in this industry because of the Western Australian government’s policy. Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.D. McRae : He should have been thrown out then. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He should have been sacked on the spot. I think the Australian people made the right decision.
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