❓ A parliamentary question probes the Leader of the House about his contact with Noel Crichton-Browne, a former senator, and the tabling of a petition. The President raises concerns about the appropriateness of the questions.
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LEADER OF THE HOUSE — TABLING OF PETITION FROM NOEL CRICHTON-BROWNE 29. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH to the Leader of the House: (1) Can the Leader of the House please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as Minister for Mines and Petroleum; Fisheries; Electoral Affairs, and can he also explain the matters that he may have discussed during that time? (2) Will the Leader of the House comply with the Premier’s direction to not have contact with Noel Crichton-Browne; and, if not, why not? (3) On what basis did the Leader of the House agree to lodge the petition yesterday from Noel Crichton-Browne, and why was the Premier not consulted? (4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE
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How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
LEADER OF THE HOUSE — TABLING OF PETITION FROM NOEL CRICHTON-BROWNE
(1) Can the Leader of the House please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as Minister for Mines and Petroleum; Fisheries; Electoral Affairs, and can he also explain the matters that he may have discussed during that time? (2) Will the Leader of the House comply with the Premier’s direction to not have contact with Noel Crichton-Browne; and, if not, why not? (3) On what basis did the Leader of the House agree to lodge the petition yesterday from Noel Crichton-Browne, and why was the Premier not consulted? (4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
(2) Will the Leader of the House comply with the Premier’s direction to not have contact with Noel Crichton-Browne; and, if not, why not? (3) On what basis did the Leader of the House agree to lodge the petition yesterday from Noel Crichton-Browne, and why was the Premier not consulted? (4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
(3) On what basis did the Leader of the House agree to lodge the petition yesterday from Noel Crichton-Browne, and why was the Premier not consulted? (4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
(4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
… (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
LEADER OF THE HOUSE — TABLING OF PETITION FROM NOEL CRICHTON-BROWNE
(1) Can the Leader of the House please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as Minister for Mines and Petroleum; Fisheries; Electoral Affairs, and can he also explain the matters that he may have discussed during that time? (2) Will the Leader of the House comply with the Premier’s direction to not have contact with Noel Crichton-Browne; and, if not, why not? (3) On what basis did the Leader of the House agree to lodge the petition yesterday from Noel Crichton-Browne, and why was the Premier not consulted? (4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
(2) Will the Leader of the House comply with the Premier’s direction to not have contact with Noel Crichton-Browne; and, if not, why not? (3) On what basis did the Leader of the House agree to lodge the petition yesterday from Noel Crichton-Browne, and why was the Premier not consulted? (4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
(3) On what basis did the Leader of the House agree to lodge the petition yesterday from Noel Crichton-Browne, and why was the Premier not consulted? (4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
(4) Why did the Leader of the House not direct Noel Crichton-Browne to lodge this petition with his local member—the member for Cottesloe—and/or an upper house member from his region? Ruling by President The PRESIDENT : Before the Leader of the House answers the part of the question that I think he may not wish to answer, I am looking at standing order 136, which states — Questions may be put to: (a) a Minister relating to public affairs with which he is connected, to proceedings in the Council, or to any matter of administration for which he is responsible; I will confer with the Clerk very briefly. The nature of this question is unprecedented during my time in this chamber. It is asking a question of a minister who is a member of the Legislative Council, clearly. When the Leader of the House presented the petition, he did not do so as a minister, but as a member of the Legislative Council. I do not think that standing order 136(a) applies. Standing order 136(b) states — Questions may be put to: … (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge. This is a matter that I would like to give further consideration to. I gave a ruling earlier today. The group of people who have charge of this matter happen to be the members of the Procedure and Privileges Committee. At the moment I do not think that question can be asked. I will give the matter further consideration and make a ruling on it after due reflection. It would be a very interesting path to go down if every member who presented a petition could be subjected to a question about that petition in question time. I note that today Hon Giz Watson presented three petitions. She may find herself, if we go down this path, being asked questions about those petitions. That would be a very, very interesting exercise, and it may in fact distract the house from its primary purpose in question time, which is to hold ministers to account for the conduct of their ministerial portfolios. I will give the matter further consideration, but I do not think the question should be answered now, because it may create an unwelcome precedent. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
… (b) a Member … relating to any Bill, motion, or other public matter connected with the business of the Council of which the Member has charge.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Mr President, are you ruling that questions (1) and (2) are also out of order, or just questions (3) and (4)? The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : I do not have a copy of the question in front of me. Perhaps the member could provide me with a copy. Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Norman Moore : I am very happy to answer it. The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : I have not ruled anything out of order at the moment. I have just said that we are venturing into very dangerous waters indeed. It would be a fascinating exercise if every member who presented a petition could be asked a question about that petition by another member of the house. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants me to rule on something, she should be quiet. The first part of the question was: can the leader please outline to the house the number of times he has had contact with Noel Crichton-Browne since being sworn in as a minister, and the matters discussed during this period? Those parts of the question that relate to the petition should not be answered at this stage. The other parts can be answered. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Norman Moore : May I have a copy of the question too, Mr President? This is taking a long time. The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : It is a piece of paper that belongs to the member. Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Norman Moore : May I have a look at it? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, because I have other things written on it. Write it down! I had to remember mine! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am happy to answer the question, Mr President. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
How many times have I had contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I became a minister? Firstly, that is none of the member’s business. Secondly, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Certainly, I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne in respect of my ministerial portfolios. Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Ken Travers : Which is it—you have not had contact, or you have not had any contact in respect of your portfolios? Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : Both. I have not had any contact with Mr Crichton-Browne since I have been a minister—but that is none of Hon Ken Travers’ business, just as whoever the member talked to in his time in government was his business, and just as Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich can talk to anyone she likes; it is none of my business. As the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, Fisheries, and Electoral Affairs, I have had no contact with Mr Crichton-Browne at all. Indeed, the Premier’s directive is that I have no contact with him in respect of my portfolios, and I am very happy to implement that particular direction. I have no problem with it at all. Mr Crichton-Browne also happens to understand that. Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Ken Travers : How do you know that? The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : Order! If Hon Ken Travers wants an answer to a question, he should be quiet. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : I should perhaps clarify one point in respect of contact, because contact normally means that we talk to someone on the phone or meet with that person. In respect of the petition—which I am not allowed to talk about—it was sent to my electorate office, asking if I would re-present it, because I actually presented it prior to the election. It did not seem to worry anybody in those days. I never heard a peep from anybody. Today, it is now world war three, which amazes me! I want to say in respect of this matter that I am a messenger. Just like any member of Parliament, I am a conduit between citizens of the public and the Parliament. Many members are asked to present petitions, as I was on this occasion. Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Kim Chance : That is not the rule that you applied to John Halden. This is a different rule altogether. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Kim Chance, I do not think it is useful to go over ancient history. Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon Kim Chance : Well, it is a fact. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : I do not care. I think Hon Kim Chance has a bit of a problem. Anyway, the house made decisions about that matter, which the member would be aware of. In respect of this matter, I am simply the messenger. Do not shoot the messenger. Shoot the people who are involved in the petition. The Procedure and Privileges Committee will know what the petition is all about, and in due course it will make a decision about it. It is none of my business. I am not involved. I have no interest in it at all personally. I am simply the messenger on this occasion. Indeed, many members have presented petitions in this place that they do not agree with. Many members have presented petitions from people who are not in their electorate. Hon Giz Watson presents petitions on behalf of green organisations that do not reside in her electorate. It is not a requirement that a person go to their local member to have a petition presented. Mr Crichton-Browne asked me some time before the election if I would do that, and I did, and no-one said anything. He sent a message asking would I re-present the petition because it had disappeared as a result of prorogation, and I agreed.
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