❓ The Premier and Leader of the Opposition clash over terrorism legislation, with accusations of political maneuvering and inconsistent stances. The debate centers on stop-and-search powers and the opposition's willingness to compromise.
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Will the Premier advise what has been the state opposition’s response to the government’s terrorism legislation? Dr G.I. GALLOP
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It seems that the opposition’s response to this issue depends on what day of the week it is. In August, the opposition said that the government needed to introduce legislation into the Parliament and was too slow in doing so. We explained at the time that the legislation was in its final draft form. Not only is it now in the Parliament, but also it has gone through this house and gone to the Legislative Council. On 11 October, the Leader of the Opposition came into the Parliament and criticised the legislation, saying that it did not go far enough. He said there were gaps. Mr M.J. Birney : It was not me; it was one of the police assistant commissioners. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP replied: It seems that the opposition’s response to this issue depends on what day of the week it is. In August, the opposition said that the government needed to introduce legislation into the Parliament and was too slow in doing so. We explained at the time that the legislation was in its final draft form. Not only is it now in the Parliament, but also it has gone through this house and gone to the Legislative Council. On 11 October, the Leader of the Opposition came into the Parliament and criticised the legislation, saying that it did not go far enough. He said there were gaps. Mr M.J. Birney : It was not me; it was one of the police assistant commissioners. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
It seems that the opposition’s response to this issue depends on what day of the week it is. In August, the opposition said that the government needed to introduce legislation into the Parliament and was too slow in doing so. We explained at the time that the legislation was in its final draft form. Not only is it now in the Parliament, but also it has gone through this house and gone to the Legislative Council. On 11 October, the Leader of the Opposition came into the Parliament and criticised the legislation, saying that it did not go far enough. He said there were gaps. Mr M.J. Birney : It was not me; it was one of the police assistant commissioners. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : It was not me; it was one of the police assistant commissioners. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP replied: It seems that the opposition’s response to this issue depends on what day of the week it is. In August, the opposition said that the government needed to introduce legislation into the Parliament and was too slow in doing so. We explained at the time that the legislation was in its final draft form. Not only is it now in the Parliament, but also it has gone through this house and gone to the Legislative Council. On 11 October, the Leader of the Opposition came into the Parliament and criticised the legislation, saying that it did not go far enough. He said there were gaps. Mr M.J. Birney : It was not me; it was one of the police assistant commissioners. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
It seems that the opposition’s response to this issue depends on what day of the week it is. In August, the opposition said that the government needed to introduce legislation into the Parliament and was too slow in doing so. We explained at the time that the legislation was in its final draft form. Not only is it now in the Parliament, but also it has gone through this house and gone to the Legislative Council. On 11 October, the Leader of the Opposition came into the Parliament and criticised the legislation, saying that it did not go far enough. He said there were gaps. Mr M.J. Birney : It was not me; it was one of the police assistant commissioners. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : It was not me; it was one of the police assistant commissioners. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Hang on! The Leader of the Opposition should listen to me. I explained that it was an issue that was being dealt with at the Council of Australian Governments meeting. Of course, we will be following up on that meeting by introducing further legislation into the state Parliament. Here we have it: the opposition was criticising us and we produced the goods and, indeed, the Liberal Party accepted the legislation in this house of Parliament. The legislation went through this chamber with the support of the Liberal Party. Now, when it is in the upper house, where do we find the Leader of the Opposition? Where is he? He is not the Leader of the Opposition; he is not a leader. The Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council is determining the agenda on this issue, not the Leader of the Opposition, the member for Kalgoorlie. It would appear that our Leader of the Opposition in this house is all bluster. When it comes to the real question of leadership he cannot guarantee an outcome in this Parliament. I ask the Leader of the Opposition this - Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : We ask the questions here, my friend. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Well, Mr Speaker, let me ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: will the Leader of the Opposition be willing to take a briefing from the police department on why this clause is so important for this legislation? Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : This should be above politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Above politics? Then support it. Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : Can I finish? This should be above politics. What happened is that the minute someone in the upper house said that he was not happy with this clause, the minister canned the progress of the legislation through that place and the Premier went straight out to the press to play politics. Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : The opposition has opposed the clause. The Leader of the Opposition is making up the argument as he goes along. Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : I will make an offer to you. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Will the Leader of the Opposition take a briefing from the police? Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : We are happy to sit down with the Minister for Police and work out a compromise in the best interests of the state. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : Members on this side of the house do not compromise with terrorists. Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Several members interjected. Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : I will ask the Leader of the Opposition a question: is he willing to have a briefing from the Commissioner of Police on this matter? Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Mr M.J. Birney : We are willing to meet with the Minister for Police to try to work out a way forward. Are you willing to put her up? Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Dr G.I. GALLOP : We will be happy to do that. We will bring the commissioner to the meeting. Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
Let us go back to the origins of this legislation. After the Britain bombings we asked the police what we needed to do to address some of these issues. They said stop and search powers are fundamental. The clause that is being opposed by the Liberal Party is very, very interesting. Clause 4 of the Court Security and Custodial Services Act allows Australian Integration Management Services Corporation Pty Ltd staff and police officers to stop and search anyone in our courts; even those people who do not look suspicious. This is done without the execution of a warrant. This Liberal Party is opposing a clause in our legislation that will make sure there is certainty for our police officers when they have to deal with the threat of terrorism. I remind members that Rohan Gunaratna, the expert on terrorism, said last night that it is inevitable that there will be an attack here in Australia. We have evidence that there are people in this nation who have trained in terrorist camps. We will do all we can to stop this evil coming to our nation. What have we got from the opposition? Petty politics in the Legislative Council! The Leader of the Opposition is saying that it is okay for police officers to have stop and search powers in our courts - the government also thinks they should have those powers to defend our judges, magistrates and courts - but he will not give those powers to the police in the event of a terrorist attack or an imminent terrorist attack. The opposition is weak. The Leader of the Opposition has never fronted on this issue. He has never accepted his accountability, or answered questions on this issue. We are getting hypocrisy on this question. We need this clause, and we need the support of the opposition. This clause is in the legislation in South Australia, the Northern Territory and New South Wales, and we need it here in Western Australia.
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