❓ Question regarding capacity increases on the Midland rail line and overcrowding issues. The Minister's response is evasive, focusing on overall train orders rather than specific plans for the Midland line.
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MIDLAND RAIL LINE — CAPACITY
I refer to the front page of today’s The West Australian and to committee hearings attended by the Public Transport Authority of Western Australia on Monday. (1) Is it true that the PTA has no plans at all to increase the number of trains or capacity on the Midland line during the half-hour peak of the peak between now and 2016? (2) What does the minister say to residents of Midland, Ellenbrook, Bullsbrook and the Swan Valley, who will continue to experience overcrowding? (3) Why does the minister not urgently add new trains so that there is at least sufficient capacity in the absence of other public transport initiatives in the north eastern corridor? Mr T.R. BUSWELL
I refer to the front page of today’s The West Australian and to committee hearings attended by the Public Transport Authority of Western Australia on Monday. (1) Is it true that the PTA has no plans at all to increase the number of trains or capacity on the Midland line during the half-hour peak of the peak between now and 2016? (2) What does the minister say to residents of Midland, Ellenbrook, Bullsbrook and the Swan Valley, who will continue to experience overcrowding? (3) Why does the minister not urgently add new trains so that there is at least sufficient capacity in the absence of other public transport initiatives in the north eastern corridor? Mr T.R. BUSWELL
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(1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
(1) Is it true that the PTA has no plans at all to increase the number of trains or capacity on the Midland line during the half-hour peak of the peak between now and 2016? (2) What does the minister say to residents of Midland, Ellenbrook, Bullsbrook and the Swan Valley, who will continue to experience overcrowding? (3) Why does the minister not urgently add new trains so that there is at least sufficient capacity in the absence of other public transport initiatives in the north eastern corridor? Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: (1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
(2) What does the minister say to residents of Midland, Ellenbrook, Bullsbrook and the Swan Valley, who will continue to experience overcrowding? (3) Why does the minister not urgently add new trains so that there is at least sufficient capacity in the absence of other public transport initiatives in the north eastern corridor? Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: (1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
(3) Why does the minister not urgently add new trains so that there is at least sufficient capacity in the absence of other public transport initiatives in the north eastern corridor? Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: (1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: (1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
(1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
(1) Is it true that the PTA has no plans at all to increase the number of trains or capacity on the Midland line during the half-hour peak of the peak between now and 2016? (2) What does the minister say to residents of Midland, Ellenbrook, Bullsbrook and the Swan Valley, who will continue to experience overcrowding? (3) Why does the minister not urgently add new trains so that there is at least sufficient capacity in the absence of other public transport initiatives in the north eastern corridor? Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: (1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
(2) What does the minister say to residents of Midland, Ellenbrook, Bullsbrook and the Swan Valley, who will continue to experience overcrowding? (3) Why does the minister not urgently add new trains so that there is at least sufficient capacity in the absence of other public transport initiatives in the north eastern corridor? Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: (1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
(3) Why does the minister not urgently add new trains so that there is at least sufficient capacity in the absence of other public transport initiatives in the north eastern corridor? Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: (1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: (1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
(1)–(3) One matter seems to have been overlooked in the debate on trains and the ordering of trains; that is, we have ordered some. I think it is important to note that the government has gone out — Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : I asked you about the Midland line specifically. Are you going to answer those questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I heard what the member said. The government has gone out and ordered trains. At the time we were criticised for not spending enough on those trains, but we have gone out and ordered them. Through to 2015 and into the first bit of 2016, at the cost of $164 million, that will add an extra 45 railcars to the Perth system. How the Public Transport Authority allocates those railcars across the train system, I think I will leave up to it. I am happy to make the capital investment decision. I am happy for us to go out and order the trains. I have made it easy for the member for Midland. I too have a little pictorial assistance to help me. I will table it. To make it easy, this picture shows 15 three-car sets. That is 45 rail carriages. Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : Here we are. I will wave it back at you. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Does the member have it? Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : I have it. What does it say about the Midland line? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It does not say anything about the Midland line; it does not say anything about any line. These will be delivered — Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts interjected. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you to order for the second time today. Member for Midland, I thought you asked the question. I do not expect you to both ask and answer at the same time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I want to do this. The member for Kwinana in his normal fashion said too little, too late. I heard Hon Ken Travers on radio this morning. The only good thing is that he does not want to paint the trains gold. He said that this issue goes back to 2008 and that is why the PTA advised Labor that we needed new carriages. He said that Labor was proposing to do it if it had been re-elected. I have checked the budget that the former Treasurer, the current Leader of the Opposition, handed down in 2008 and it shows that no trains were ordered. I asked the PTA whether it had entered into negotiations with the supplier so it could be signed. No. It is easy for Labor to say in 2011 that it was going to order more railcars in 2008, but it did not—it had no intention to. Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Are you going to answer the question? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I will. Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr P. Papalia interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
The SPEAKER : Member for Warnbro! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The second issue I want to deal with is the issue of 2016. The funny thing is that in Western Australia the population is going up. Demand for public transport is going up at a rate faster than the increase in population. Point of Order Mrs M.H. ROBERTS : My question was specifically about the Midland line and that is what I was anticipating an answer about. I do not see the minister’s answer as being relevant to my question. The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
The SPEAKER : I am going to give the Minister for Transport the opportunity to make the answer relevant; if he does not, I will sit him down. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It is all relevant to the number of trains on the network, because ultimately, here is how it works: if the Public Transport Authority has more carriages, it can carry more passengers. How those carriages are allocated across the lines in the metropolitan area is a matter I will leave to the Public Transport Authority. I suspect that those trains will go to the areas of highest demand, and those are the line to the north and the line to the south; the current Mayor of Vincent had a big hand in building the line to the south. That is what is going to happen. The PTA will allocate those across the network — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : You’re not ordering enough for the Midland line, are you? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : We are ordering plenty; one day the member for Midland might travel on the train to Midland. Let me ask the member for Midland this question before I sit down — Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why don’t you answer my questions? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : When was the last time the member for Midland took the train to Midland? Point of Order Mr M. McGOWAN : Mr Speaker, you were specific to the minister that he should address the question or else he would be sat down. I just ask that he answer the question he was asked. The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
The SPEAKER : I think he has sat himself down, member for Rockingham.
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