❓ Shadow Minister Jacobs questions Minister Logan about Verve Energy's expected losses for the 2007-08 financial year, accusing him of withholding information and irrelevance. Minister Logan deflects, citing budget processes and the Premier's role in announcements.
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VERVE ENERGY — LOSS
(1) Does the minister recall, after being asked to provide the figure for Verve Energy’s expected loss for the full 2007-08 financial year, stating that such a figure had not been provided and that even if it had, he would not reveal it to the shadow Minister for Energy? (2) In the light of Friday’s announcement of a massive crisis in Verve Energy, will the minister advise how much it will lose this year so that taxpayers have some idea about how much they will be required to fund? (3) Will the minister confirm that such a figure exists and that because he was absent when the government made its announcement on Friday and because of his growing irrelevance in this issue, he is not aware of that figure? Mr F.M. LOGAN
(1) Does the minister recall, after being asked to provide the figure for Verve Energy’s expected loss for the full 2007-08 financial year, stating that such a figure had not been provided and that even if it had, he would not reveal it to the shadow Minister for Energy? (2) In the light of Friday’s announcement of a massive crisis in Verve Energy, will the minister advise how much it will lose this year so that taxpayers have some idea about how much they will be required to fund? (3) Will the minister confirm that such a figure exists and that because he was absent when the government made its announcement on Friday and because of his growing irrelevance in this issue, he is not aware of that figure? Mr F.M. LOGAN
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(1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
(2) In the light of Friday’s announcement of a massive crisis in Verve Energy, will the minister advise how much it will lose this year so that taxpayers have some idea about how much they will be required to fund? (3) Will the minister confirm that such a figure exists and that because he was absent when the government made its announcement on Friday and because of his growing irrelevance in this issue, he is not aware of that figure? Mr F.M. LOGAN replied: (1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
(3) Will the minister confirm that such a figure exists and that because he was absent when the government made its announcement on Friday and because of his growing irrelevance in this issue, he is not aware of that figure? Mr F.M. LOGAN replied: (1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Mr F.M. LOGAN replied: (1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
(1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
(2) In the light of Friday’s announcement of a massive crisis in Verve Energy, will the minister advise how much it will lose this year so that taxpayers have some idea about how much they will be required to fund? (3) Will the minister confirm that such a figure exists and that because he was absent when the government made its announcement on Friday and because of his growing irrelevance in this issue, he is not aware of that figure? Mr F.M. LOGAN replied: (1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
(3) Will the minister confirm that such a figure exists and that because he was absent when the government made its announcement on Friday and because of his growing irrelevance in this issue, he is not aware of that figure? Mr F.M. LOGAN replied: (1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Mr F.M. LOGAN replied: (1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
(1)-(3) I am bashed and battered! Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Dr G.G. Jacobs : Where were you? The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Roe! Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Mr F.M. LOGAN : With respect to what I informed Parliament last week, I indicated that the earnings for interest before tax target for Verve for the 2007-08 financial year, which was provided in Parliament the previous year, was an estimated $50 million. The December 2007 quarterly report revealed that it had already reached $42 million. Consequently, the member for Darling Range asked me to describe the full year’s losses for Verve Energy. I indicated to the house that the figures for the first quarter of 2008 had not been provided to me. Hopefully, members opposite who are also businesspeople know that quarterly figures are provided after the finish of a quarter. The point that I was making to the member for Darling Range was that those types of figures are fed into the budget process. They are provided during the budget process; therefore, the government is under no obligation to advise the opposition of those budget figures prior to the announcement of the budget. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! I call to order the Leader of the Opposition and the members for Dawesville, Darling Range and Cottesloe. Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Mr F.M. LOGAN : The government is under no obligation to advise the opposition what will be in the forthcoming budget. With respect to Friday’s announcement, as opposition members know, fees and charges are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. They are not announced by the Minister for Energy; they are always announced by the Treasurer or the Premier. Friday’s announcement was no different from any other announcement on fees and charges. The Premier chose to announce them, as he has a right to do. As to where I was, I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment we are making — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
The SPEAKER : I call the member for Dawesville and the member for Roe to order. Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
Mr F.M. LOGAN : I was at Kwinana power station looking at the investment that we are making into the power plant that was wrecked by the worst Minister for Energy—who is sitting on the other side of the house—this state has ever seen.
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