❓ Opposition questions Minister for Fair Trading about allegations of impropriety related to his former father-in-law and a finance broker. Minister denies wrongdoing and deflects, highlighting fraud charges against the accuser.
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Yesterday Mr Ken O’Brien, from disgraced finance broker Blackburne and Dixon, blew away the Minister for Fair Trading’s unbelievable story regarding his former father-in-law Don Turton when he told the upper House committee investigating finance brokers, firstly, that Mr Turton had threatened him with the minister’s involvement to recover his money; secondly, that an amount of $100 000 was repaid to the minister’s former father-in-law because Blackburne and Dixon did not want a visit from the minister; thirdly, that the minister’s ministerial staff lost interest in the matter as soon as Turton got his cheque; and, fourthly, that Mrs Kaye Blackburne did not tell the truth to the Gunning inquiry when she denied knowing Mr Turton was the minister's former father-in-law. I ask the minister - (1) Why would Mrs Blackburne lie to defend the minister, and will the minister take action to ensure that police investigate Mrs Blackburne for perjury? (2) Now that the minister’s unbelievable artifice lies in tatters, will the minister for the first time do the right thing and resign? The SPEAKER: Order! Before I give the minister the call, I advise that the first part of the question gives me cause for concern because it asks for an opinion. I cannot recall whether it asks for the minister’s opinion or for someone else’s, but the member is not entitled to ask for opinions. The minister can handle it. Mr SHAVE
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(1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
(1) Why would Mrs Blackburne lie to defend the minister, and will the minister take action to ensure that police investigate Mrs Blackburne for perjury? (2) Now that the minister’s unbelievable artifice lies in tatters, will the minister for the first time do the right thing and resign? The SPEAKER: Order! Before I give the minister the call, I advise that the first part of the question gives me cause for concern because it asks for an opinion. I cannot recall whether it asks for the minister’s opinion or for someone else’s, but the member is not entitled to ask for opinions. The minister can handle it. Mr SHAVE replied: (1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
(2) Now that the minister’s unbelievable artifice lies in tatters, will the minister for the first time do the right thing and resign? The SPEAKER: Order! Before I give the minister the call, I advise that the first part of the question gives me cause for concern because it asks for an opinion. I cannot recall whether it asks for the minister’s opinion or for someone else’s, but the member is not entitled to ask for opinions. The minister can handle it. Mr SHAVE replied: (1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order! Before I give the minister the call, I advise that the first part of the question gives me cause for concern because it asks for an opinion. I cannot recall whether it asks for the minister’s opinion or for someone else’s, but the member is not entitled to ask for opinions. The minister can handle it. Mr SHAVE replied: (1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE replied: (1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
(1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
(1) Why would Mrs Blackburne lie to defend the minister, and will the minister take action to ensure that police investigate Mrs Blackburne for perjury? (2) Now that the minister’s unbelievable artifice lies in tatters, will the minister for the first time do the right thing and resign? The SPEAKER: Order! Before I give the minister the call, I advise that the first part of the question gives me cause for concern because it asks for an opinion. I cannot recall whether it asks for the minister’s opinion or for someone else’s, but the member is not entitled to ask for opinions. The minister can handle it. Mr SHAVE replied: (1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
(2) Now that the minister’s unbelievable artifice lies in tatters, will the minister for the first time do the right thing and resign? The SPEAKER: Order! Before I give the minister the call, I advise that the first part of the question gives me cause for concern because it asks for an opinion. I cannot recall whether it asks for the minister’s opinion or for someone else’s, but the member is not entitled to ask for opinions. The minister can handle it. Mr SHAVE replied: (1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order! Before I give the minister the call, I advise that the first part of the question gives me cause for concern because it asks for an opinion. I cannot recall whether it asks for the minister’s opinion or for someone else’s, but the member is not entitled to ask for opinions. The minister can handle it. Mr SHAVE replied: (1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE replied: (1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
(1)-(2) Mr Speaker, I do not have a transcript of what was said to the inquiry yesterday, but I understand that Mrs Blackburne had made one statement to the Gunning inquiry and this chap O’Brien, who is facing 86 fraud charges, accused Blackburne yesterday of lying. The situation is simply this: Turton was owed some money; he apparently went to Blackburne and Dixon and asked for that money - Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: And said, “If you don’t pay it to me I will get Doug Shave to come down on you because he is my son-in-law”. Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: You say that. Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: No, Ken O’Brien said that. Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: Yes, and Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges. Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: Kaye Blackburne is about to; he will be facing more before the end of the inquiry. Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: Can I answer the member’s question? I am happy to do it. Ken O’Brien is facing 86 charges of fraud totalling over $4.5m and it would appear that - Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: There are a lot more to come yet, too. Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr Court: If I can interject: You just said that Mrs Blackburne will get charged shortly. Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: We will see about that. Your minister seems to be prejudging someone -. The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order, members! People can raise these matters outside if they want to have a little chat, but the minister is supposed to be giving us his answer. Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty interjected. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order, member for Fremantle! Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: It appears that the two people running this company have fallen out. One is accusing the other of lying under oath; one of them is obviously telling the truth. I do not know which one is telling the truth because - Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: What are you going to do about it? Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: Let me answer the question, please. It is obvious, when people are under pressure - as Mr O’Brien is at 66 years of age and facing 86 charges of fraud totalling $4.5m - that times get difficult, and the situation between Mrs Blackburne and Mr O’Brien is obviously difficult. Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr Ripper: It is a bit like you in your party room, where things have got difficult! Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: I am not accusing Mr O'Brien of telling lies. Equally I will not accuse Mrs Blackburne of telling lies. Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: Why would she lie to defend someone like you? Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle should tell me. I have not met Mrs Blackburne. Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: It is beyond my comprehension. Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: It is beyond my comprehension also. I have never met Mrs Blackburne, Mr O'Brien or Mr Margaria. The person who attended the meeting that was arranged in relation to Mr Gaunt had not heard of Mr Turton either. Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: It is not a load of rubbish; it is the truth. Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr McGinty: You would not know the truth if you fell over it. Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: Those people have given evidence to the Gunning inquiry under oath. Mr O'Brien did not do that. Perhaps there is a discrepancy between the evidence of those two people. Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr Pendal: I think you should be saying much less than you are saying now. Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: The member for South Perth does not like hearing the truth. Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr Pendal: The more you say, the more we like it. The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order! I remind the House that we are trying to give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. The rule of thumb for time allowed for questions is three to four minutes, which should allow plenty of time for most people to respond. The minister has had four minutes, so I ask him to wind up his answer. Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: If the Chairman of the Select Committee into the Finance Broking Industry believes there is a discrepancy between evidence given at a committee hearing and evidence given to the Gunning inquiry, I am sure he will refer it to the proper authorities. That is the appropriate thing to do. Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Ms MacTiernan: What about you? You are being paid $150 000 a year. The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order, member for Armadale. Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
Mr SHAVE: If the member for Armadale does not have any faith in the chairman of that committee - The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
The SPEAKER: Order! The minister should take his seat so that the next question can be asked.
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