❓ Opposition questions the Minister for Fair Trading's knowledge of the finance brokers scandal, citing alleged past comments. The Minister denies making the statements and questions the accuracy of evidence presented.
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FINANCE BROKERS, MINISTER FOR FAIR TRADING
The minister is refusing to resign because he claims to have been unaware of, and, therefore, is not responsible for, the finance brokers scandal. Does the minister recall telling Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge on 29 April last year that - If people go in for this sort of thing they deserve to get their fingers burnt. The minister also said of Don Turton - If the silly old fool had come to me in the first place I would have told him not to go in for this type of investment. How can the minister claim to be unaware of the problems if he was offering this advice 18 months ago? I wish to table a statutory declaration in relation to this matter. [The statutory declaration was tabled for the information of members.] Mr SHAVE
The minister is refusing to resign because he claims to have been unaware of, and, therefore, is not responsible for, the finance brokers scandal. Does the minister recall telling Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge on 29 April last year that - If people go in for this sort of thing they deserve to get their fingers burnt. The minister also said of Don Turton - If the silly old fool had come to me in the first place I would have told him not to go in for this type of investment. How can the minister claim to be unaware of the problems if he was offering this advice 18 months ago? I wish to table a statutory declaration in relation to this matter. [The statutory declaration was tabled for the information of members.] Mr SHAVE
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That is an interesting concept, because for six months people have said that I bent over backwards to look after my former father-in-law. It will be interesting to see whether the comments made by Mr Fidge at the Gunning inquiry are the same comments and words that he used when he spoke to the select committee. Notwithstanding that - Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
[The statutory declaration was tabled for the information of members.] Mr SHAVE replied: That is an interesting concept, because for six months people have said that I bent over backwards to look after my former father-in-law. It will be interesting to see whether the comments made by Mr Fidge at the Gunning inquiry are the same comments and words that he used when he spoke to the select committee. Notwithstanding that - Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE replied: That is an interesting concept, because for six months people have said that I bent over backwards to look after my former father-in-law. It will be interesting to see whether the comments made by Mr Fidge at the Gunning inquiry are the same comments and words that he used when he spoke to the select committee. Notwithstanding that - Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
That is an interesting concept, because for six months people have said that I bent over backwards to look after my former father-in-law. It will be interesting to see whether the comments made by Mr Fidge at the Gunning inquiry are the same comments and words that he used when he spoke to the select committee. Notwithstanding that - Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
[The statutory declaration was tabled for the information of members.] Mr SHAVE replied: That is an interesting concept, because for six months people have said that I bent over backwards to look after my former father-in-law. It will be interesting to see whether the comments made by Mr Fidge at the Gunning inquiry are the same comments and words that he used when he spoke to the select committee. Notwithstanding that - Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE replied: That is an interesting concept, because for six months people have said that I bent over backwards to look after my former father-in-law. It will be interesting to see whether the comments made by Mr Fidge at the Gunning inquiry are the same comments and words that he used when he spoke to the select committee. Notwithstanding that - Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
That is an interesting concept, because for six months people have said that I bent over backwards to look after my former father-in-law. It will be interesting to see whether the comments made by Mr Fidge at the Gunning inquiry are the same comments and words that he used when he spoke to the select committee. Notwithstanding that - Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Dr Gallop: Is that a threat? Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: No. Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Dr Gallop: That is a typical Shave threat. We have seen that before. Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: It was an observation. Let me paint members a scenario. When we debated this issue yesterday and I quoted Mr Fidge, I said that some of the things in that document that was prepared for him were not correct. Three other people were at that meeting when Denise Brailey and Kevin Fidge were there. The Labor Party has some concerns about what was said at that meeting. Unfortunately for the Labor Party, it has overlooked the fact that other parties were at the meeting; that is Mr Mitchell, Mr Patrick Walker and I. Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr McGinty: Do you deny you said those things? Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: Absolutely. During debate and question time last week I said that Mr Fidge was outside my office wanting to see me - Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr McGowan: He is up there. Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: I can see him up there. Denise Brailey, who I did not know would be there, hijacked the meeting. These people want the public to believe that, knowing what Denise Brailey has been saying about me in the press and her attitude towards me, I would be silly enough to sit in that meeting and say to Mrs Brailey in front of Mr Fidge, Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell that the silly old fool deserved to lose his money. Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr McGinty: We reckon you are that silly. Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: The member for Fremantle can say that. The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
The SPEAKER: Order! For some time I have been trying to run a question time in which many members have an opportunity to ask questions. In doing that I have a rule of thumb that answers should be able to be given within three or four minutes. An exception is made for the big issues of the day that the Premier generally handles. I will allow extra time for those things. The Leader of the Opposition gets certain concessions in order to give matters a fair go. We are reaching the situation at which some answers are taking far too long. That will deny other members their opportunity to ask questions. I will ask the minister to wind up the answer. Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
Mr SHAVE: Yesterday I said in this place that the information in the document Mr Fidge sent to the Gunning inquiry was wrong. The date was out by three months, until I reminded him in this place that he had the wrong day. That document was not prepared by Mr Fidge, contrary to what the Gunning inquiry and other people might believe. It is my belief that, in due course, when people are questioned under oath, they will substantiate that.
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