❓ Question regarding alternatives to Roe Highway Stage 8, specifically expanding rail freight. Answer acknowledges rail's importance but asserts road freight will remain dominant, also criticising a past Labor government proposal.
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ROE HIGHWAY STAGE 8 — EXPANSION OF RAIL SYSTEM
(1) What objections does the minister have to expanding the existing rail system to increase its capacity to transport freight into Fremantle port so that construction of the Roe Highway stage 8 extension through the Beeliar wetlands is not necessary? (2) Has the government undertaken a costing of such an expansion? Hon SIMON O’BRIEN
(1) What objections does the minister have to expanding the existing rail system to increase its capacity to transport freight into Fremantle port so that construction of the Roe Highway stage 8 extension through the Beeliar wetlands is not necessary? (2) Has the government undertaken a costing of such an expansion? Hon SIMON O’BRIEN
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I thank the honourable member for her very thoughtful question. It is so pleasing that she is prepared to look rationally, sensibly and objectively for information on this matter so I might convert her in her views, and hope springs eternal. (1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
(2) Has the government undertaken a costing of such an expansion? Hon SIMON O’BRIEN replied: I thank the honourable member for her very thoughtful question. It is so pleasing that she is prepared to look rationally, sensibly and objectively for information on this matter so I might convert her in her views, and hope springs eternal. (1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN replied: I thank the honourable member for her very thoughtful question. It is so pleasing that she is prepared to look rationally, sensibly and objectively for information on this matter so I might convert her in her views, and hope springs eternal. (1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
I thank the honourable member for her very thoughtful question. It is so pleasing that she is prepared to look rationally, sensibly and objectively for information on this matter so I might convert her in her views, and hope springs eternal. (1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
(1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
(2) Has the government undertaken a costing of such an expansion? Hon SIMON O’BRIEN replied: I thank the honourable member for her very thoughtful question. It is so pleasing that she is prepared to look rationally, sensibly and objectively for information on this matter so I might convert her in her views, and hope springs eternal. (1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN replied: I thank the honourable member for her very thoughtful question. It is so pleasing that she is prepared to look rationally, sensibly and objectively for information on this matter so I might convert her in her views, and hope springs eternal. (1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
I thank the honourable member for her very thoughtful question. It is so pleasing that she is prepared to look rationally, sensibly and objectively for information on this matter so I might convert her in her views, and hope springs eternal. (1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
(1)-(2) I have no objections to extending the existing rail system now or in the future to increase its capacity to transport freight into metropolitan port facilities regardless of where they are located because they are at several locations. That is why I want to do a number of things in the medium term such as reserve a location in the metropolitan region scheme for a further freight corridor in the future that would also contain capacity for heavy rail to service future port facilities and get away from repeating some of the problems that are visiting themselves upon the community now. We have to reserve those freight corridors for long-term benefits, because they are a heck of a difficult thing to retrofit. As long as we do not have an irresponsible government deleting those freight corridors after they have been in the metropolitan region scheme for 30 years—as happened recently with the actions of the former government—things will work out a lot more smoothly in the long run. Unfortunately, such a railway does not obviate the need for the expansion of road freight capacity at the port. That could be a matter for a lot more discussion, and I am more than happy to arrange for a briefing from the relevant agencies for the member and her colleagues, if she would like to discuss that further. However, the simple reality is that no matter how much of that freight task—we are referring largely to containers at this time—we manage to get on to rail, and we are making significant strides there, the vast majority of freight will be carried on truck, on road. That is something we have to work through. That is probably enough of an answer for now on question (1). However, I reassure Hon Lynn MacLaren that I will not go down the path taken by the local impacts committee—an instrument of the former Labor government—that actively investigated using the existing rail reserve between Bibra Lake and South Lake to locate a freight freeway, using a variety of plans, some of which involved demolishing a very large number of residential dwellings in Bibra Lake. I am sure that, as a member for the South Metropolitan Region, Hon Lynn MacLaren would not support that sort of alternative. I certainly do not, even though the previous government was prepared to contemplate it, apparently. Hon Sue Ellery : Apparently, but it did not! It is okay for anybody else to investigate matters, but if we investigate matters, there is something inherently wrong with that! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : That is a worthwhile interjection from the Leader of the Opposition, who is also a member for the South Metropolitan Region. Does Hon Sue Ellery think it is a good idea — Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : — to go knocking over houses in Bibra Lake? Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : No, I do not. The minister was encouraging the member to ask questions to investigate matters, but if anybody else was looking to investigate something, which may or may not have been worthwhile, that is not okay! Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : No. The former Labor government undertook an investigation for purely political reasons to get the then member for Riverton off a particular political hook. Again, if the member wants me to produce the documents that were produced by that LIC, I am more than happy to do it. Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : I was on the LIC. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : So Hon Sue Ellery was part of it! Was the member part of it? Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : Yes. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Why did Hon Sue Ellery put forward that proposal? Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : I did not put forward that proposal. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Who did? Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : I cannot remember. Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : It was tabled in another place by the head of the LIC, a committee of which Hon Sue Ellery was a member. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, but — Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon SIMON O’BRIEN : Does the member want to get the Hansard out and have a look? Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : The minister has commenced a debate with another member when he should be responding to Hon Lynn MacLaren’s question. Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Simon O’Brien : That is no point of order and the member knows it! The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Simon O’Brien : It was your leader who was trying to start the debate! The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Has the minister finished his answer? Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
Hon Simon O’Brien : Absolutely.
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