❓ Parliamentary Q&A regarding Minister Shave's knowledge of his former father-in-law's investments and a potential discrepancy in meeting dates with a constituent, Mr. Jarvis. The Minister denies misleading Parliament.
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(1) Does the minister maintain that he first became aware that his former father-in-law had money at risk in a pooled mortgage investment scheme when a constituent, Kevin Fidge, raised the matter during a meeting on 29 April? (2) If so, how does the minister explain the evidence of another constituent, Denis Jarvis, who told an upper House committee hearing that the minister raised the matter with him at a meeting in March? (3) Has the minister misled the Parliament, and, if so, will he take this opportunity to correct the record and apologise? Mr SHAVE
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I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
(2) If so, how does the minister explain the evidence of another constituent, Denis Jarvis, who told an upper House committee hearing that the minister raised the matter with him at a meeting in March? (3) Has the minister misled the Parliament, and, if so, will he take this opportunity to correct the record and apologise? Mr SHAVE replied: I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
(3) Has the minister misled the Parliament, and, if so, will he take this opportunity to correct the record and apologise? Mr SHAVE replied: I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
Mr SHAVE replied: I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time.
[See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
(2) If so, how does the minister explain the evidence of another constituent, Denis Jarvis, who told an upper House committee hearing that the minister raised the matter with him at a meeting in March? (3) Has the minister misled the Parliament, and, if so, will he take this opportunity to correct the record and apologise? Mr SHAVE replied: I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
(3) Has the minister misled the Parliament, and, if so, will he take this opportunity to correct the record and apologise? Mr SHAVE replied: I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
Mr SHAVE replied: I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
I was hoping the member for Fremantle would ask me that question. In my view, Mr Jarvis is a very honest person, unlike some people who have been making allegations about me. I have had a number of meetings with Mr Jarvis. I think I first met him in 1996 and again in May 1999 when I was doorknocking. I met him a couple of times in 1999 at my electoral office. I asked my electorate officer to check whether in fact I had had any meetings in my electoral office with Mr Jarvis during March 1999. Mr Jarvis is a decent and honest man. Unfortunately for the member for Fremantle, Mr Jarvis did not visit me at that time. I am happy to stand corrected if Mr Jarvis can give me a date and a time when he did visit me. I have gone through my diaries for the month of March and I have here a memorandum from my electorate officer, Enid Russell, which states - You asked me to check the electorate office diaries and telephone message books for the dates of any meetings you held in March 1999 with Mr Denis Jarvis of 10 Grimsay Road Ardross. I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time. I table that document. [See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
I wish to confirm that there are no appointments listed at all for Mr Jarvis in March 1999 and it would appear that no such meetings took place at that time.
[See paper No 210.] Withdrawal of Remark - Speaker’s Ruling THE SPEAKER (Mr Strickland): Before giving the member for Joondalup the call, a point of order was made recently. I have now had a chance to again read Standing Order No 92 and it indicates that “imputations” mean not only improper motives but also personal reflections. If, for example, someone calls someone else a hypocrite and I have given a ruling, that can impugn the member. However, interjections and references to hypocritical behaviour have sometimes been allowed to slip through. I did not hear the member for Fremantle make the comment. However, members in this chamber must have heard it. I make it clear that there is a fine distinction between the member for Fremantle saying that the minister is a “gutless coward” - I think that was the comment - and inferring that he is behaving in a gutless or a cowardly way. I should have asked the member for Fremantle to withdraw the remark, if he called the member a gutless coward. That has been the standard we have adopted when a person directly reflects on a member of this House. Although it may not be pleasant at times, a member can refer to another member’s behaviour in a certain way and not impugn the member. I have taken this opportunity to adjust my ruling. I invite the member for Fremantle to withdraw if he thinks the remark should be withdrawn. Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
Mr McGINTY: I withdraw, Mr Speaker.
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