❓ Debate over a proposed 'levy' on on-demand taxis, with the opposition questioning its impact and the Minister defending its nature and criticising the questioner's research and conduct.
AnsweredQoN 202Legislative Assembly
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TAXIS — ON-DEMAND TAXIS
202. Mrs L.M. HARVEY to the Minister for Transport:
I have a supplementary question. Can
the minister also explain why she has chosen to introduce a tax when her own
modelling shows that, as a result of the tax, there will be between 5.9 million
and 6.9 million fewer trips; and what will the impact of that be on jobs?
202. Mrs L.M. HARVEY to the Minister for Transport:
I have a supplementary question. Can
the minister also explain why she has chosen to introduce a tax when her own
modelling shows that, as a result of the tax, there will be between 5.9 million
and 6.9 million fewer trips; and what will the impact of that be on jobs?
AnswerView source ↗
It is not a tax, so the premise of
the entire question is wrong. It is not a tax; it is a levy funded by industry,
and, as we have seen —
Mrs L.M. Harvey : The
dictionary says that a levy is a tax.
Several members interjected.
The SPEAKER : Member for Bateman,
the member for Scarborough does not need you to help her.
Ms R. SAFFIOTI : Member for
Scarborough, what is the definition of a tax, and what is the definition of a levy?
Mrs L.M. Harvey : They are
the same in the dictionary.
Ms R. SAFFIOTI : Are they? That
is why the member for Scarborough should not ask those types of questions. When
we ask her to respond, she has no idea. She comes into this house having never
done any research of her own. All she does is score cheap hits on the Premier's
wife and children.
Ms S. Winton interjected.
The SPEAKER : Member for
Wanneroo, do not yell. I call you to order for the first time.
Point of Order
Mr S.K. L'ESTRANGE :
I refer to standing order 92, imputations and personal reflections. The
minister was clearly making those against the member for Scarborough, and I ask
you to call her to order, Mr Speaker.
The SPEAKER : Minister, will
you withdraw?
Ms R. SAFFIOTI : Sorry, what
did I say?
Mr S.K. L'Estrange :
You know what you said.
The SPEAKER : It was about
the member for Scarborough.
Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : On the
point of order, the member has claimed that the minister made an imputation.
The minister asked the member who is bringing the point of order to say what
the imputation was. It is perfectly reasonable, otherwise, how can anybody
withdraw? If there is no imputation, there is nothing to be withdrawn.
The SPEAKER : Can the member
say what she wants withdrawn?
Mr S.K. L'ESTRANGE :
Further to the point of order, a ruling on a point of order is not a place for
debate.
Mr W.J. Johnston : Yes, it
is.
Several members interjected.
The SPEAKER : Members!
Member, before, two or three people in a row got up on a point of order.
Mr S.K. L'ESTRANGE :
The standing order makes it quite clear that imputations of improper motives
and personal reflections are not appropriate.
The SPEAKER : I just want to
know what it was.
Mr S.K. L'ESTRANGE :
The minister was referring to the motives of the member for Scarborough against
the Premier and the Premier's family, and I was asking her to withdraw.
Mr D.A. TEMPLEMAN : Mr
Speaker, there is no point of order. The manager of opposition business is
clearly not drawing a matter of importance to the attention of the chamber.
Mr W.J. Johnston : What are
the words that need to be withdrawn?
The SPEAKER : Minister, you
have to speak to the question, and not talk about the characters of other
members of the chamber.
Questions without Notice Resumed
Ms R. SAFFIOTI : I am saying
that the whole premise of the question is incorrect. This member walks into
this place not knowing the content of the question and never does her own
research. That is fact. The other thing that is fact is that this member
spread, through social media, attacks on the Premier's wife and kids.
That is fact.
The SPEAKER : That is the end
of question time.
Ms R. Saffioti interjected.
The SPEAKER : Minister for
Transport, I call you to order for the second time.
the entire question is wrong. It is not a tax; it is a levy funded by industry,
and, as we have seen —
Mrs L.M. Harvey : The
dictionary says that a levy is a tax.
Several members interjected.
The SPEAKER : Member for Bateman,
the member for Scarborough does not need you to help her.
Ms R. SAFFIOTI : Member for
Scarborough, what is the definition of a tax, and what is the definition of a levy?
Mrs L.M. Harvey : They are
the same in the dictionary.
Ms R. SAFFIOTI : Are they? That
is why the member for Scarborough should not ask those types of questions. When
we ask her to respond, she has no idea. She comes into this house having never
done any research of her own. All she does is score cheap hits on the Premier's
wife and children.
Ms S. Winton interjected.
The SPEAKER : Member for
Wanneroo, do not yell. I call you to order for the first time.
Point of Order
Mr S.K. L'ESTRANGE :
I refer to standing order 92, imputations and personal reflections. The
minister was clearly making those against the member for Scarborough, and I ask
you to call her to order, Mr Speaker.
The SPEAKER : Minister, will
you withdraw?
Ms R. SAFFIOTI : Sorry, what
did I say?
Mr S.K. L'Estrange :
You know what you said.
The SPEAKER : It was about
the member for Scarborough.
Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : On the
point of order, the member has claimed that the minister made an imputation.
The minister asked the member who is bringing the point of order to say what
the imputation was. It is perfectly reasonable, otherwise, how can anybody
withdraw? If there is no imputation, there is nothing to be withdrawn.
The SPEAKER : Can the member
say what she wants withdrawn?
Mr S.K. L'ESTRANGE :
Further to the point of order, a ruling on a point of order is not a place for
debate.
Mr W.J. Johnston : Yes, it
is.
Several members interjected.
The SPEAKER : Members!
Member, before, two or three people in a row got up on a point of order.
Mr S.K. L'ESTRANGE :
The standing order makes it quite clear that imputations of improper motives
and personal reflections are not appropriate.
The SPEAKER : I just want to
know what it was.
Mr S.K. L'ESTRANGE :
The minister was referring to the motives of the member for Scarborough against
the Premier and the Premier's family, and I was asking her to withdraw.
Mr D.A. TEMPLEMAN : Mr
Speaker, there is no point of order. The manager of opposition business is
clearly not drawing a matter of importance to the attention of the chamber.
Mr W.J. Johnston : What are
the words that need to be withdrawn?
The SPEAKER : Minister, you
have to speak to the question, and not talk about the characters of other
members of the chamber.
Questions without Notice Resumed
Ms R. SAFFIOTI : I am saying
that the whole premise of the question is incorrect. This member walks into
this place not knowing the content of the question and never does her own
research. That is fact. The other thing that is fact is that this member
spread, through social media, attacks on the Premier's wife and kids.
That is fact.
The SPEAKER : That is the end
of question time.
Ms R. Saffioti interjected.
The SPEAKER : Minister for
Transport, I call you to order for the second time.
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