❓ Hon Peter Collier questions the Minister for Regional Development regarding her previous statements about remuneration received from Energy Made Clean. The Minister defends her previous statements, clarifying the nature of her shareholdings and compliance with the Ministerial Code of Conduct.
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MINISTER FOR REGIONAL
DEVELOPMENT — ENERGY MADE CLEAN
327. Hon PETER COLLIER to the Minister for Regional
Development:
I refer the minister to her response
to the seven-part question without notice 172 she was asked on 14 June 2017. She
was asked —
Has the minister ever had shares or
other financial interest in Energy Made Clean, Carnegie Clean Energy or
Carnegie Wave Energy?
Her response to that question was —
I had some shares in Energy Made
Clean that I had acquired instead of remuneration for the work that I did for
the company.
Will the minister confirm that she
did not receive any remuneration from Energy Made Clean during her time as a director
of that company?
DEVELOPMENT — ENERGY MADE CLEAN
327. Hon PETER COLLIER to the Minister for Regional
Development:
I refer the minister to her response
to the seven-part question without notice 172 she was asked on 14 June 2017. She
was asked —
Has the minister ever had shares or
other financial interest in Energy Made Clean, Carnegie Clean Energy or
Carnegie Wave Energy?
Her response to that question was —
I had some shares in Energy Made
Clean that I had acquired instead of remuneration for the work that I did for
the company.
Will the minister confirm that she
did not receive any remuneration from Energy Made Clean during her time as a director
of that company?
AnswerView source ↗
I will give the member an explanation.
The allegation that has been put today is that somehow or other I did not say
that I worked for EMC. Let me read the whole answer. In part, the member is
doing what the member for Warren–Blackwood was trying to do, which is
selectively quote. What I said was —
During the interregnum of my various
parliamentary careers, I worked in the private sector and followed my passion
for renewable energy. Yes, it is true that from 10 May —
Unruly interjections followed. I continued
—
It was from May 2011 and I resigned
on 4 July 2013. I had some shares � that I had acquired instead of remuneration
for the work that I did for the company.
In subsequent citations by the
Leader of the House, as she responded from notes that I provided in her role as
the minister representing the Premier, she made it very clear that the shares
that I received were part remuneration. I do not know what you guys thought was
going to be the other part of the remuneration, but it is not totally
surprising that that was —
Several members interjected.
Hon ALANNAH MacTIERNAN : Members
opposite have to see this in context.
Hon Peter Collier interjected.
Hon ALANNAH MacTIERNAN : It
was remuneration because —
The
PRESIDENT : Member, you have asked a question. You are not
really giving the minister a fair go in being able to respond and for Hansard
to hear that response. Just let the minister provide that response and listen
to her.
Hon ALANNAH MacTIERNAN : The
question was about what my interests were in that company, presumably at a relevant
time. My residual interest was shares, so I was focusing on the rationale of
how I came to receive those shares. I received those shares in remuneration for
the work done for the company. As I have gone on with the notes, when a more
detailed recitation of the facts was made a couple of months later, it was made
very clear that it was part remuneration. When I was answering questions of
journalist Paul Murray of The West Australian , again, I made it very
clear that it was part remuneration. I have said right from the outset that I have
not in any way tried to disguise the fact that I worked, I had an involvement,
with that company. The actual work—the paid work that I did for that
company—finished in 2011 and I continued for another 18 months as a shareholder.
I want to make it clear that the shareholdings I had were in a company that was
related to EMC; they were not directly EMC shares. There are obligations under
the Ministerial Code of Conduct, which states —
Immediately after appointment and
within 60 days, Ministers shall take action to divest themselves of
shareholdings in any company and interests in partnerships and trusts, by
virtue of which a conflict exists, or could reasonably be expected to exist,
with their portfolio responsibilities.
This, indeed, I did.
The allegation that has been put today is that somehow or other I did not say
that I worked for EMC. Let me read the whole answer. In part, the member is
doing what the member for Warren–Blackwood was trying to do, which is
selectively quote. What I said was —
During the interregnum of my various
parliamentary careers, I worked in the private sector and followed my passion
for renewable energy. Yes, it is true that from 10 May —
Unruly interjections followed. I continued
—
It was from May 2011 and I resigned
on 4 July 2013. I had some shares � that I had acquired instead of remuneration
for the work that I did for the company.
In subsequent citations by the
Leader of the House, as she responded from notes that I provided in her role as
the minister representing the Premier, she made it very clear that the shares
that I received were part remuneration. I do not know what you guys thought was
going to be the other part of the remuneration, but it is not totally
surprising that that was —
Several members interjected.
Hon ALANNAH MacTIERNAN : Members
opposite have to see this in context.
Hon Peter Collier interjected.
Hon ALANNAH MacTIERNAN : It
was remuneration because —
The
PRESIDENT : Member, you have asked a question. You are not
really giving the minister a fair go in being able to respond and for Hansard
to hear that response. Just let the minister provide that response and listen
to her.
Hon ALANNAH MacTIERNAN : The
question was about what my interests were in that company, presumably at a relevant
time. My residual interest was shares, so I was focusing on the rationale of
how I came to receive those shares. I received those shares in remuneration for
the work done for the company. As I have gone on with the notes, when a more
detailed recitation of the facts was made a couple of months later, it was made
very clear that it was part remuneration. When I was answering questions of
journalist Paul Murray of The West Australian , again, I made it very
clear that it was part remuneration. I have said right from the outset that I have
not in any way tried to disguise the fact that I worked, I had an involvement,
with that company. The actual work—the paid work that I did for that
company—finished in 2011 and I continued for another 18 months as a shareholder.
I want to make it clear that the shareholdings I had were in a company that was
related to EMC; they were not directly EMC shares. There are obligations under
the Ministerial Code of Conduct, which states —
Immediately after appointment and
within 60 days, Ministers shall take action to divest themselves of
shareholdings in any company and interests in partnerships and trusts, by
virtue of which a conflict exists, or could reasonably be expected to exist,
with their portfolio responsibilities.
This, indeed, I did.
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