❓ Minister Collier refutes claims by Hon Ravlich regarding 38,000 people disengaging from training in WA since 2008, clarifying the Deputy PM's statement referred to disengaged young people in the 12 months to April 2010.
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training — number of people disengaged
In order to remove any confusion, have 38 000 people become disengaged from training in Western Australia since 2008, as claimed by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on 15 June 2010? Hon PETER COLLIER
In order to remove any confusion, have 38 000 people become disengaged from training in Western Australia since 2008, as claimed by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on 15 June 2010? Hon PETER COLLIER
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I thank Hon Philip Gardiner for the very pertinent question. It is a question that I do feel needs some clarification, because quite frankly it is abject nonsense yet again! I am getting used to this rubbish that — Hon Sue Ellery : What is abject nonsense is that you don’t know the member’s name who asked you the question! Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank Hon Philip Gardiner for the very pertinent question. It is a question that I do feel needs some clarification, because quite frankly it is abject nonsense yet again! I am getting used to this rubbish that — Hon Sue Ellery : What is abject nonsense is that you don’t know the member’s name who asked you the question! Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
I thank Hon Philip Gardiner for the very pertinent question. It is a question that I do feel needs some clarification, because quite frankly it is abject nonsense yet again! I am getting used to this rubbish that — Hon Sue Ellery : What is abject nonsense is that you don’t know the member’s name who asked you the question! Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Hon Sue Ellery : What is abject nonsense is that you don’t know the member’s name who asked you the question! Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification.
Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank Hon Philip Gardiner for the very pertinent question. It is a question that I do feel needs some clarification, because quite frankly it is abject nonsense yet again! I am getting used to this rubbish that — Hon Sue Ellery : What is abject nonsense is that you don’t know the member’s name who asked you the question! Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
I thank Hon Philip Gardiner for the very pertinent question. It is a question that I do feel needs some clarification, because quite frankly it is abject nonsense yet again! I am getting used to this rubbish that — Hon Sue Ellery : What is abject nonsense is that you don’t know the member’s name who asked you the question! Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Hon Sue Ellery : What is abject nonsense is that you don’t know the member’s name who asked you the question! Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Do you mind, Leader of the Opposition? The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The question was from Hon Phil Edman, but the Minister for Training and Workforce Development has the call. Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Lemons for lunch over there! I am concerned because a lot of these media releases that are coming out from the shadow spokesperson for training and workforce development are blatantly wrong, and this is another example of that. I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
I can understand why there is confusion. I was told last week that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich had come out and said that 38 000 people were now disengaged from training, which is absolute nonsense! I asked: how could people come to that conclusion? I was directed to a media statement by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich on Tuesday, 15 June 2010, which states in part — “Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a CCI event last week that since September 2008, 38,000 people had become disengaged with training in Western Australia, including 15,000 teenagers and 23,000 young adults.” It is quite clear, unambiguous—the facts were there. I say “since September 2008” seems very convenient because that of course is when we took over government. I was at that lunch, I have to say, and I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister make any such assertion. She did not. It says so in the media release so we have to assume it is right. We would assume that if Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is doing her job, she would check things out before she put out this rubbish! I went to the lunch. Hon Eric Ripper and Roger Cook were there, as were several other members of the opposition. I did not actually see Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, so I do not think she was there. I assume that she was not there. I would have been checking it out. I know she was not there. I thought, “How could she reach that assumption?” She could be playing politics or she may have perhaps been misinformed by the Leader of the Opposition. I got a copy of the speech that the Deputy Prime Minister made at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lunch. It was a very good speech. I thought she presented it very well under pretty difficult circumstances, because of course she had to defend the indefensible with this super profits tax. I will go to the appropriate section, which in part states — Here in Australia—and notably here in the West—we still have communities in which too many young people have low aspirations and limited scope to complete Year-12. Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification. That is right. That is something that we have to deal with nationally, not just in Western Australia. That is what this government is doing to make sure that we open the doors for people to come into training. The pertinent point was the next point. I want members to listen to this. It says — In the 12 months to April 2010, there were around 38,000 disengaged young people in Western Australia (around 15,000 teenagers, and 23,000 young adults). That is a seismic difference from what we got in the media release issued by Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. Not only did the member alter the date to September 2008, as opposed to the 12 months to April 2010, but also she added the word “training” just for effect. I listened to all the rubbish that I had to listen to for an hour before question time. If Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to get credibility in the training sector and wants to assist in the process of bringing people into training, she has to check her facts. I can only assume that she got this advice from one of her colleagues who attended that lunch, because surely she would not have lied or misconstrued facts in a media release. I honestly do not think that she would have done that, or I would like to think that she would not have done that. Suffice to say, there are not 38 000 people in Western Australia disengaged from training. The figures that the Deputy Prime Minister referred to were not from September 2008. It makes a complete mockery of this media release from Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich.
Around 360,000 young Australians have not obtained at least a Year 12 or Certificate II qualification and are not studying for a qualification.
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