❓ Question regarding the relationship between the Minister for Health and the Treasurer, and whether the Treasurer believes the Minister is capable. Includes heated exchanges and points of order regarding parliamentary language.
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DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH — REPORTING TO DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY AND FINANCE
I have a supplementary question. The minister has rejected the Treasurer’s assertion that the department simply ignores the minister’s directions, so is the Treasurer actually saying that he does not believe that the minister is up to the job? Dr K.D. HAMES
I have a supplementary question. The minister has rejected the Treasurer’s assertion that the department simply ignores the minister’s directions, so is the Treasurer actually saying that he does not believe that the minister is up to the job? Dr K.D. HAMES
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The member should ask the Treasurer whether he thinks I am up to the job. Frankly, we have a good relationship; we are working together with Treasury — Mr R.H. Cook : That is not what people say; is the minister sure about that? Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: The member should ask the Treasurer whether he thinks I am up to the job. Frankly, we have a good relationship; we are working together with Treasury — Mr R.H. Cook : That is not what people say; is the minister sure about that? Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The member should ask the Treasurer whether he thinks I am up to the job. Frankly, we have a good relationship; we are working together with Treasury — Mr R.H. Cook : That is not what people say; is the minister sure about that? Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr R.H. Cook : That is not what people say; is the minister sure about that? Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: The member should ask the Treasurer whether he thinks I am up to the job. Frankly, we have a good relationship; we are working together with Treasury — Mr R.H. Cook : That is not what people say; is the minister sure about that? Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The member should ask the Treasurer whether he thinks I am up to the job. Frankly, we have a good relationship; we are working together with Treasury — Mr R.H. Cook : That is not what people say; is the minister sure about that? Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr R.H. Cook : That is not what people say; is the minister sure about that? Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Dr K.D. HAMES : That might not be what the member says, but I do not listen to him. Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr R.H. Cook : I don’t say that; it’s your bureaucrats! Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Dr K.D. HAMES : “Mr Three Per Cent” should sit over there and let the member for Mindarie sit in his place—he is the popular fellow, not the member for Kwinana! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : That concludes question time. Points of Order Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I just seek some clarification. A fair issue was raised in question time about the correct titles of people. I wonder whether the Speaker could perhaps inform me about where I can go to find data on the correct titles for members of the shadow cabinet. An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
An opposition member interjected. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : The only reason I ask is that I checked the website and the member for Victoria Park is still listed as the shadow Minister for Culture and the Arts, so I am merely reflecting the information on the website. I am assuming there is a place in the Parliament where I can get that information. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! I think the Treasurer knows the intent of the direction I gave people in this place with respect to their electorates or the titles they might have. Although there might not necessarily be an official, continually updated list provided, if someone is in some doubt as to someone’s proper name in this place, he or she might just refer to the person as the member for the electorate the member represents. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : Thank you for that, Mr Speaker. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Pertaining to a point of order, Mr Speaker, I am sorry that you found it necessary to call me to order yesterday. The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : Yesterday? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : Yes, and I apologise to the chamber for that, but I just seek clarification of your ruling, if I may. It was during the Premier’s answer that I referred to his newest best friend, the member for North West, as “custard guts”. At the time you called me to order but said you had not yet determined or made up your mind as to whether the term “custard guts” was unparliamentary or whether — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : Order! For everybody’s information, I called the member to order not over the reference he had made, but for what I believe to be conduct in this place that deserved his being called to order. With reference to that expression, I have investigated what it means in several different contexts. If I hear that reference made in this place, members will be immediately called to order, whomever they might be, and no matter what the context, because I have followed this through and my view is that it is a very objectionable and unnecessary comment to make about anybody at all, not only in this place but also in wider society. That was not the reason that I called the member for Mindarie to order, but I have made that decision about that particular expression following on from hearing it for the first time yesterday. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr J.R. QUIGLEY : I wish to make it clear that I did not know what was being said but it was — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : All takers, thank you. There is no point of clarification. I have made it abundantly clear that, firstly, the member for Mindarie was yesterday called to order for an entirely different reason; and, secondly, the expression about which I remarked in this place yesterday that I did not know whether it was unparliamentary — Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
Mr J.R. Quigley : Neither did I. The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
The SPEAKER : The member does now, and I am telling everybody in this place that the expression he used in this place yesterday in reference to somebody who is now on the opposite side of the house is unparliamentary. Everybody should understand that; there is nothing ambiguous at all about what I have just said, so there does not need to be any clarification.
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