❓ Question regarding the Premier's support for the Minister for Education and Training's alleged criticism of the Corruption and Crime Commission's investigation. The Premier deflects, demanding specifics.
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MINISTER FOR EDUCATION AND TRAINING - CRITICISM OF CORRUPTION AND CRIME COMMISSION
(1) Does the Premier support his Minister for Education and Training’s criticism of the Corruption and Crime Commission about its investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct in her department? (2) If so, why; and, if not, why not? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
(1) Does the Premier support his Minister for Education and Training’s criticism of the Corruption and Crime Commission about its investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct in her department? (2) If so, why; and, if not, why not? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
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(1)-(2) Can the member point out which criticism he is talking about? Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
(2) If so, why; and, if not, why not? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(2) Can the member point out which criticism he is talking about? Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(2) Can the member point out which criticism he is talking about? Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
(1)-(2) Can the member point out which criticism he is talking about? Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
(2) If so, why; and, if not, why not? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(2) Can the member point out which criticism he is talking about? Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(2) Can the member point out which criticism he is talking about? Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
(1)-(2) Can the member point out which criticism he is talking about? Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr R.F. Johnson : The criticism which she made about the CCC and which has been reported in the media. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Can the member tell me the criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr R.F. Johnson : Your advisers tell you on a daily basis what is going on. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Which particular criticism is the member talking about? Is he talking about a critical attitude? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr R.F. Johnson : All the criticism as reported in The West Australian for a start. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As reported in The West Australian ? There is one fundamental difference between the Labor Party in opposition and the Liberal Party in opposition: Labor Party members actually did a bit of work. We actually bothered to find out some factual information and then we asked questions based on that during question time. These blokes opposite simply pick up the newspaper, look at a few headlines and dream up some questions to ask in this place. Can the member tell me what she said? Can any member on that side of the chamber tell me right now what criticism in particular they are talking about? Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr B.J. Grylls interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that a criticism? Is it a criticism to say that the CCC never told her that it was conducting an investigation, or is that a statement of fact? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : For the purpose of engaging in the argument, let us take that supposition on board. I did read a story in The West Australian - Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr P.D. Omodei : Why didn’t you just read Hansard ? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Opposition members are asking the question; why did they not read Hansard ? I did read a story in The West Australian that stated something along the lines its being an unprecedented attack by the minister on the CCC, because she had not been informed by the CCC - Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr R.F. Johnson : You don’t call that a criticism? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : When I read that in The West Australian , I thought: That’s funny! Unprecedented? Not that long ago, The West Australian itself rabidly attacked the CCC! It said that the CCC had acted improperly and that Commissioner Hammond had made a serious blunder! However, maybe that is not a precedent for politicians; I do not know. The minister in the upper house has said that she thought that the CCC should have informed her. When I was asked questions about that today by the media, I said that I believe the minister should have been informed. I have said that to the minister, and I said it to Mr Albert when he told me that he did not inform the minister of the detail of the issues. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to order for the second time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : After the CCC had issued the statement to Mr Albert, which indicated pretty straightforwardly, I thought, that only the necessary people in the department should be made aware of the inquiry, it issued a statement last week that there was no impediment to the Director General of the Department of Education and Training from telling the minister. That is a useful bit of clarification. If anything positive can come from this very unfortunate scenario, it is that we now seem to have a pretty clear indication from the CCC that when matters such as this are under investigation, the director general of whichever department it might be should inform the minister.
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