❓ Hon. Ravlich questions the allocation of $19.5 million for 7,600 additional training places over two years, querying the breakdown between the 2009-10 and 2010-11 budgets. Hon. Collier's response avoids direct figures, citing the fluid nature of training enrolments and criticising Ravlich's past performance as training minister.
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TRAINING PLACES — BUDGET FUNDING
I refer to the minister’s state budget media statement of 20 May 2010 in which he claims that there has been a $19.5 million allocation over two years—that is, 2009–10 and 2010–11—allowing the state to provide an additional 7 600 training places. (1) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2009–10 budget? (2) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2010–11 budget? (3) Is the minister being tricky once again by including 2009–10 training figures and funding in the 2010–11 budget data? The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER
I refer to the minister’s state budget media statement of 20 May 2010 in which he claims that there has been a $19.5 million allocation over two years—that is, 2009–10 and 2010–11—allowing the state to provide an additional 7 600 training places. (1) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2009–10 budget? (2) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2010–11 budget? (3) Is the minister being tricky once again by including 2009–10 training figures and funding in the 2010–11 budget data? The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER
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I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
(1) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2009–10 budget? (2) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2010–11 budget? (3) Is the minister being tricky once again by including 2009–10 training figures and funding in the 2010–11 budget data? The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
(2) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2010–11 budget? (3) Is the minister being tricky once again by including 2009–10 training figures and funding in the 2010–11 budget data? The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
(3) Is the minister being tricky once again by including 2009–10 training figures and funding in the 2010–11 budget data? The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
(1) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2009–10 budget? (2) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2010–11 budget? (3) Is the minister being tricky once again by including 2009–10 training figures and funding in the 2010–11 budget data? The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
(2) How many of the 7 600 additional training places are funded in the 2010–11 budget? (3) Is the minister being tricky once again by including 2009–10 training figures and funding in the 2010–11 budget data? The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
(3) Is the minister being tricky once again by including 2009–10 training figures and funding in the 2010–11 budget data? The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : Before I call the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, I advise that the last part of the question is — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : It’s a no-brainer really. The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : It includes some insinuations. Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
I thank the honourable member for the question. I should say “ditto from last Thursday” when she asked the same question. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You didn’t know the answer then. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, the member could not work in an iron lung. Let me explain the situation with regard to training again. I apologise to members opposite because they must get so frustrated with the fact that someone on their side could be so inept. Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ken Travers : We’re not frustrated; we just want a straight answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Let me finish. Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Sue Ellery : We are tired of your shrill responses. The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The only thing I am interested in is the minister’s response to the question, not any other views expressed by interjections across the chamber. Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I will answer the question. With regard to the 7 600 placements, there is no trickiness or clandestine attempt by the government to make up anything that does not exist. We have provided an additional $19 million over a period of two years. That will provide for another 7 600 places. As the honourable member will know—although possibly not as she was the training minister for two dreadful years in the history of training in this state—we simply cannot provide concrete, identifiable, tangible outcomes in terms of figures for apprentices and trainees. I challenge the honourable member to come forward with any tangible, identifiable figures that she can give concrete answers to in terms of projections. We simply cannot do it. As a result of a series of initiatives that we put in place last year, we have had an increase in training enrolments of around 10 per cent. That figure is very, very fluid. It virtually changes on a daily basis. Employers ring up the Apprenticeship Centre or they will identify themselves — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I do know. If the member would just listen — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know. Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Who is being shrill now, Leader of the Opposition? Can she have a word to the member? How on earth the member is in the position she is in is beyond me. I cannot believe that. Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ken Travers : We look at your front bench and we ask that question every day. The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : Order! There is no call for interjections. The question has been asked and the answer is being provided. Members might have different points of view about the substance or content of either the question or the answer but this is the Parliament. Members have to sit and listen. Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : At the moment we have around 38 000 trainees and apprentices, as I hope the member knows; she should know, as it is in Training WA. We predict that that number will rise to 47 000 by 2012. I treat this with a great degree of caution. If I am going to make a prediction, I will do so to placate the honourable member; actually, I will not placate her because she will sit on the other side of the chamber moaning and groaning. She will never be happy with what I say. No-one listens to her in the training sector but I really wish she would listen to some of my responses. We have around 20 000 apprentices at the moment. The rest of the 38 000 comprise trainees. I am saying this for the benefit of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich. I hope she is listening. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You don’t know the answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Mr President, she is being very rude. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : She is calling out. The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
The PRESIDENT : And so are you. You are interjecting on the President. Minister, I think you are coming to the end of your answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I could talk on this forever. I would suggest that by the end of 2011 we will probably be close to the 40 000 mark. The profiles of this state suggest that we will be close to around 24 000 apprentices, which is an increase of around 3 700 apprentices. If we can do that, that will be a phenomenal improvement. As I said, it is very fluid so the member should not read anything into that. Trainees will make up the bulk. That 7 600 is across the board. It is institutional plus employment based. The member needs to understand that. That is probably a concept that she is not familiar with. We need to understand that the figures that I have given are very positive. There have been some really good, positive, identifiable projections over the past few months. A lot of employers are starting to take on more apprentices. We are looking at the prospect of having a significant increase in apprenticeship uptake over the next 12 months. A component of that will come from the figure of 7 600 that we put in the budget. At that stage we are looking at around 39 900 to 40 000 apprentices and trainees. That directly answers the honourable member’s question. If she does not think it does, she needs to go back and read Hansard when she gets her response and come in tomorrow and we can go through it all again.
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