❓ Hon Peter Foss questions the Minister for Forestry on his intentions regarding the forest management plan, specifically concerning the sustainable yield of jarrah. The Minister acknowledges the importance of the issue but avoids a direct commitment, stating Cabinet will make the final decision.
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I have given the minister some small notice of this question. I refer to the minister’s responsibilities as Minister for Forestry. (1) Does the minister intend to make a submission on the forest management plan; and, if not, why not? (2) Is the minister aware that section 60(2c) of the Conservation and Land Management Act requires that the Conservation Commission give effect to such a submission? Obviously, other things will happen if it does not. (3) Will the minister make a submission on the forest management plan process indicating his preference for 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, which is sustainable according to scientific advice? (4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE
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I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(1) Does the minister intend to make a submission on the forest management plan; and, if not, why not? (2) Is the minister aware that section 60(2c) of the Conservation and Land Management Act requires that the Conservation Commission give effect to such a submission? Obviously, other things will happen if it does not. (3) Will the minister make a submission on the forest management plan process indicating his preference for 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, which is sustainable according to scientific advice? (4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(2) Is the minister aware that section 60(2c) of the Conservation and Land Management Act requires that the Conservation Commission give effect to such a submission? Obviously, other things will happen if it does not. (3) Will the minister make a submission on the forest management plan process indicating his preference for 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, which is sustainable according to scientific advice? (4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(3) Will the minister make a submission on the forest management plan process indicating his preference for 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, which is sustainable according to scientific advice? (4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(1) Does the minister intend to make a submission on the forest management plan; and, if not, why not? (2) Is the minister aware that section 60(2c) of the Conservation and Land Management Act requires that the Conservation Commission give effect to such a submission? Obviously, other things will happen if it does not. (3) Will the minister make a submission on the forest management plan process indicating his preference for 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, which is sustainable according to scientific advice? (4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(2) Is the minister aware that section 60(2c) of the Conservation and Land Management Act requires that the Conservation Commission give effect to such a submission? Obviously, other things will happen if it does not. (3) Will the minister make a submission on the forest management plan process indicating his preference for 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, which is sustainable according to scientific advice? (4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(3) Will the minister make a submission on the forest management plan process indicating his preference for 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, which is sustainable according to scientific advice? (4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(4) If the minister does not make a submission based on an indicative yield of 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah, how will he explain his decision to the forest products industry, for which he has responsibility? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
I thank Hon Peter Foss for providing me with some small notice of the question, which I looked at when he gave it to me and then got carried away with other things. Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: It often happens to you. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes, it does. (1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
(1)-(4) The question of whether I intend to make a submission on the plan, as Minister for Forestry, is one that I have thought about, but I have not arrived at a conclusive decision. Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: You can see why people would love to know. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. The issue that Hon Peter Foss understands, and that other honourable members would like to understand, is the nature of this process. Neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I make a final decision about adoption or otherwise of a course of action, particularly on this issue. Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: Yes, but you cannot be ignored. Once you have made your submission, the Conservation Commission cannot ignore it. If the commission cannot resolve it, it must go to Cabinet. Therefore, it comes back to the Government. You keep saying that it is the Conservation Commission, but in the end it comes back to the Government. Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Yes. I do not walk away from that; I understand that. The point in law that Hon Peter Foss makes is quite correct; that is the case. The point I was about to make, though, is that neither the Minister for the Environment and Heritage nor I will, in fact, make this decision. Cabinet will make it, and that is the way we have worked all the way through this process. Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: I accept that, and arguments on both sides are needed for it to be properly decided. Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: Indeed. I cannot give a yes or no answer to question (1) now, but a decision would be made dependent upon the conditions that I saw developing in the finalisation of the plan. On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
On the issue of the 182 000 cubic metres of jarrah grades 1 and 2, which is raised in questions (3) and (4), I point out that they are the indicative sustainable figures that are published in the draft forest management plan. I am not in a position to tell whether the final forest management plan will adhere to that figure. Having read the draft forest management plan, members will be aware that the Conservation Commission’s view is that a number of modifying factors apply to the indicative sustainable figure of 182 000 cubic metres to meet all the requirements of the plan. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
The PRESIDENT: Order, members! This is not a debate. Other members are waiting to ask their questions. Precious few members got to ask questions yesterday. The minister will address the question, not the interjections. Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: I will make my judgments on this matter as it resolves itself. Hon Peter Foss knows that I am committed to achieving a resolution that will satisfy the industry. It is an important plank of the old-growth forest policy that we deliver a value-added industry that is viable and can provide jobs. That is not at odds with the old-growth forest policy; it is the second plank. Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon Peter Foss: If you do not fight for it in Cabinet, no-one else will. Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
Hon KIM CHANCE: The member can be assured that I will do my duty in that regard.
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