❓ The Minister for Education defends the government's commitment to outcomes-based education in years 11 and 12, highlighting inconsistencies in the opposition's stance on the issue by referencing past statements and current federal policy.
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Will the minister further advise the house about the policy pertaining to the curriculum framework and outcomes-based education? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH
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I thank the member for the question. I am committed to the application of outcomes-based education in years 11 and 12. I have a very firm view about proceeding towards that implementation. I looked at the opposition’s policy on this matter because my position is quite clear. Yesterday, when I asked Hon Barry House about his position, he made it clear that the opposition does not support outcomes-based education. In that light, I refer members to 1997 when we debated the Curriculum Council Bill. In his second reading speech Hon Norman Moore made the following points - The curriculum framework will cover kindergarten through to year 12 and will be mandatory for all schools, whether government or non-government, and for home schooling. The framework will not be limiting on a school or a system. It will set out exactly what students should know, value and be able to do as a result of programs built around the curriculum framework. The curriculum framework will utilise an outcomes based approach. This represents a major shift away from a focus simply on educational inputs and timetables towards one which emphasises the desired results or outcomes of schooling. By making known at the outset the intended outcomes or expected results, the appropriate components and the time required can be identified and included in the curriculum rather than simply loading the curriculum with unnecessary material and classroom sessions. In espousing that view, the honourable member goes on for pages and pages. I will now take the house - Point of Order Hon BRUCE DONALDSON : Will the minister identify that document and the date on it? The PRESIDENT : Order! The member can ask the minister to identify the document but whether she gives the date is a matter for her; it might be part of its identification. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for the question. I am committed to the application of outcomes-based education in years 11 and 12. I have a very firm view about proceeding towards that implementation. I looked at the opposition’s policy on this matter because my position is quite clear. Yesterday, when I asked Hon Barry House about his position, he made it clear that the opposition does not support outcomes-based education. In that light, I refer members to 1997 when we debated the Curriculum Council Bill. In his second reading speech Hon Norman Moore made the following points - The curriculum framework will cover kindergarten through to year 12 and will be mandatory for all schools, whether government or non-government, and for home schooling. The framework will not be limiting on a school or a system. It will set out exactly what students should know, value and be able to do as a result of programs built around the curriculum framework. The curriculum framework will utilise an outcomes based approach. This represents a major shift away from a focus simply on educational inputs and timetables towards one which emphasises the desired results or outcomes of schooling. By making known at the outset the intended outcomes or expected results, the appropriate components and the time required can be identified and included in the curriculum rather than simply loading the curriculum with unnecessary material and classroom sessions. In espousing that view, the honourable member goes on for pages and pages. I will now take the house - Point of Order Hon BRUCE DONALDSON : Will the minister identify that document and the date on it? The PRESIDENT : Order! The member can ask the minister to identify the document but whether she gives the date is a matter for her; it might be part of its identification. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
I thank the member for the question. I am committed to the application of outcomes-based education in years 11 and 12. I have a very firm view about proceeding towards that implementation. I looked at the opposition’s policy on this matter because my position is quite clear. Yesterday, when I asked Hon Barry House about his position, he made it clear that the opposition does not support outcomes-based education. In that light, I refer members to 1997 when we debated the Curriculum Council Bill. In his second reading speech Hon Norman Moore made the following points - The curriculum framework will cover kindergarten through to year 12 and will be mandatory for all schools, whether government or non-government, and for home schooling. The framework will not be limiting on a school or a system. It will set out exactly what students should know, value and be able to do as a result of programs built around the curriculum framework. The curriculum framework will utilise an outcomes based approach. This represents a major shift away from a focus simply on educational inputs and timetables towards one which emphasises the desired results or outcomes of schooling. By making known at the outset the intended outcomes or expected results, the appropriate components and the time required can be identified and included in the curriculum rather than simply loading the curriculum with unnecessary material and classroom sessions. In espousing that view, the honourable member goes on for pages and pages. I will now take the house - Point of Order Hon BRUCE DONALDSON : Will the minister identify that document and the date on it? The PRESIDENT : Order! The member can ask the minister to identify the document but whether she gives the date is a matter for her; it might be part of its identification. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The member can ask the minister to identify the document but whether she gives the date is a matter for her; it might be part of its identification. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank the member for the question. I am committed to the application of outcomes-based education in years 11 and 12. I have a very firm view about proceeding towards that implementation. I looked at the opposition’s policy on this matter because my position is quite clear. Yesterday, when I asked Hon Barry House about his position, he made it clear that the opposition does not support outcomes-based education. In that light, I refer members to 1997 when we debated the Curriculum Council Bill. In his second reading speech Hon Norman Moore made the following points - The curriculum framework will cover kindergarten through to year 12 and will be mandatory for all schools, whether government or non-government, and for home schooling. The framework will not be limiting on a school or a system. It will set out exactly what students should know, value and be able to do as a result of programs built around the curriculum framework. The curriculum framework will utilise an outcomes based approach. This represents a major shift away from a focus simply on educational inputs and timetables towards one which emphasises the desired results or outcomes of schooling. By making known at the outset the intended outcomes or expected results, the appropriate components and the time required can be identified and included in the curriculum rather than simply loading the curriculum with unnecessary material and classroom sessions. In espousing that view, the honourable member goes on for pages and pages. I will now take the house - Point of Order Hon BRUCE DONALDSON : Will the minister identify that document and the date on it? The PRESIDENT : Order! The member can ask the minister to identify the document but whether she gives the date is a matter for her; it might be part of its identification. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
I thank the member for the question. I am committed to the application of outcomes-based education in years 11 and 12. I have a very firm view about proceeding towards that implementation. I looked at the opposition’s policy on this matter because my position is quite clear. Yesterday, when I asked Hon Barry House about his position, he made it clear that the opposition does not support outcomes-based education. In that light, I refer members to 1997 when we debated the Curriculum Council Bill. In his second reading speech Hon Norman Moore made the following points - The curriculum framework will cover kindergarten through to year 12 and will be mandatory for all schools, whether government or non-government, and for home schooling. The framework will not be limiting on a school or a system. It will set out exactly what students should know, value and be able to do as a result of programs built around the curriculum framework. The curriculum framework will utilise an outcomes based approach. This represents a major shift away from a focus simply on educational inputs and timetables towards one which emphasises the desired results or outcomes of schooling. By making known at the outset the intended outcomes or expected results, the appropriate components and the time required can be identified and included in the curriculum rather than simply loading the curriculum with unnecessary material and classroom sessions. In espousing that view, the honourable member goes on for pages and pages. I will now take the house - Point of Order Hon BRUCE DONALDSON : Will the minister identify that document and the date on it? The PRESIDENT : Order! The member can ask the minister to identify the document but whether she gives the date is a matter for her; it might be part of its identification. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The member can ask the minister to identify the document but whether she gives the date is a matter for her; it might be part of its identification. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am very happy to identify the document. It is page 2968 of Hansard dated Wednesday, 14 May 1997, containing the second reading speech of the Curriculum Council Bill, which commenced at 5.43 pm. Questions Without Notice Resumed Hon Norman Moore : Who was the Minister For Education in 1997? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The Minister for Education at the time was the former leader of the Liberal Party, Hon Colin Barnett. I am aware of the time and I want to say something else. It gets worse. I refer members to the recent pre-election period. The Liberal Party’s position statement on education prior to the last election reads - Parents were also provided with more detailed student reports through the implementation of the outcomes-based Curriculum Framework and schools were encouraged to produce annual reports. This is the opposition’s policy during the last election. Honourable Barry House has told the house that he does not support outcomes-based education. Brendan Nelson supports outcomes-based education. Do members opposite know how I know that? I had to sign a quadrennial agreement, of which outcomes-based education was one of the significant components. I repeat: the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Dr Brendan Nelson, supports outcomes-based education. Liberal Party policy supports - Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon Kim Chance : Current policy. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Current Liberal Party policy supports outcomes-based education. There has been no shift. Hon Barry House, the opposition spokesperson on education and training, unilaterally, does not support outcomes-based education. I say to members, what is this world coming to and what is the opposition spokesman about? Where is his head? I am sure Brendan Nelson will come looking for him because he is the one that got away. He is out there on his own - miles and miles away. What a disgrace he really is.
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