❓ Ljiljanna Ravlich questions Peter Collier, the Minister for Training and Workforce Development, about delays in finalising the TAFE lecturers' EBA. Collier deflects, stating the Minister for Commerce handles negotiations and defends his government's record on TAFE lecturer pay.
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TAFE LECTURERS — ENTERPRISE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS
I refer to the TAFE lecturers’ enterprise bargaining agreements and the minister’s comments to this house on 18 March 2009 when he said — I wanted to ensure that, as a government, we did what was best for our TAFE lecturers to show that we valued them … (1) If the minister values TAFE lecturers, why has he not finalised the new EBA with the State School Teachers’ Union of WA, given that the union served its log of claims on 1 December 2010? (2) Why did it take the minister until August 2011 to put forward his first offer? (3) How is such a delay in the best interests of TAFE lecturers, and in what way does it demonstrate that the minister actually values them? Hon PETER COLLIER
I refer to the TAFE lecturers’ enterprise bargaining agreements and the minister’s comments to this house on 18 March 2009 when he said — I wanted to ensure that, as a government, we did what was best for our TAFE lecturers to show that we valued them … (1) If the minister values TAFE lecturers, why has he not finalised the new EBA with the State School Teachers’ Union of WA, given that the union served its log of claims on 1 December 2010? (2) Why did it take the minister until August 2011 to put forward his first offer? (3) How is such a delay in the best interests of TAFE lecturers, and in what way does it demonstrate that the minister actually values them? Hon PETER COLLIER
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I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
(2) Why did it take the minister until August 2011 to put forward his first offer? (3) How is such a delay in the best interests of TAFE lecturers, and in what way does it demonstrate that the minister actually values them? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
(3) How is such a delay in the best interests of TAFE lecturers, and in what way does it demonstrate that the minister actually values them? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
(1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
(2) Why did it take the minister until August 2011 to put forward his first offer? (3) How is such a delay in the best interests of TAFE lecturers, and in what way does it demonstrate that the minister actually values them? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
(3) How is such a delay in the best interests of TAFE lecturers, and in what way does it demonstrate that the minister actually values them? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
I thank the member for the question. (1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
(1)–(3) The EBA is negotiated through the Minister for Commerce. The member needs to direct her question to the Minister for Commerce. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No, you’re the minister; you can answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon PETER COLLIER : The negotiations go through the Minister for Commerce. Surely the member knows that. Oh, no, sorry. Silly me, I forgot; she does not. The member is no longer the Minister for Education and Training because she got these types of things wrong. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Get over it. Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I got over it ages ago. When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
When we came into office, TAFE lecturers had not had a salary increase since January 2007. We locked away a new agreement within a matter of months. That gave TAFE lecturers a possible 26 per cent increase. They went from being the lowest paid in Australia to among the highest paid. In addition, 97 per cent of TAFE lecturers voted for that EB agreement. That was the most ever of any EBA—97 per cent! To suggest that we, including me as minister, are not cognisant of the needs of TAFE lecturers is devoid of any logic. The negotiations with the TAFE lecturers are done directly through the Minister for Commerce. I suggest that the honourable member should do some background checking before she asks her questions and that she ask the appropriate minister.
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