❓ Question regarding fraudulent property sales and the Minister's response outlining measures taken by Landgate, including 100-point ID checks and stricter title replacement processes, while acknowledging the limitations in preventing sophisticated identity fraud.
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LANDGATE — FRAUDULENT PROPERTY SALES
Thank you, Mr Speaker, for saving the minister. Given that the minister has let a year go by before acting on this critical issue, can the minister now give a firm commitment to the house that this will not happen to any other homeowners? Mr B.J. GRYLLS
Thank you, Mr Speaker, for saving the minister. Given that the minister has let a year go by before acting on this critical issue, can the minister now give a firm commitment to the house that this will not happen to any other homeowners? Mr B.J. GRYLLS
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The member for Perth said in his supplementary question that we have done nothing. I just let him know that, after the Mildenhall matter last year — Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr B.J. GRYLLS replied: The member for Perth said in his supplementary question that we have done nothing. I just let him know that, after the Mildenhall matter last year — Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
The member for Perth said in his supplementary question that we have done nothing. I just let him know that, after the Mildenhall matter last year — Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr B.J. GRYLLS replied: The member for Perth said in his supplementary question that we have done nothing. I just let him know that, after the Mildenhall matter last year — Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
The member for Perth said in his supplementary question that we have done nothing. I just let him know that, after the Mildenhall matter last year — Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Several members interjected. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Just listen to the answer. Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr P.B. Watson interjected. The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
The SPEAKER : If the member for Albany wants to ask a question, he can stand up and I will give him the call. I formally call him to order for the first time today. Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : After the Mildenhall issue last year, the registrar of titles recommended that for customers in the land and property industry, all property professionals use the 100-point identification check. That is exactly what the industry is now talking about, because we know that that is the most likely point to be able to identify that a fraud is occurring. At the same time, the Commissioner of Titles also made it more difficult for replacement duplicate copies of titles to be issued at Landgate. Rather than being able to do it over the desk at Landgate, they now have to be applied for. This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
This is where the sophistication of these scams really needs to be targeted by the police, the land agencies and the real estate sector as well: given that we have asked for a 100-point identification check at the beginning, should a scammer be good enough to scam an identity and have that 100-point identification check, there is actually no way to stop the whole transaction going through. Identity fraud, in which someone forges a passport or can do anything that can gain them the 100 points, even if the real estate agents were doing the right thing — Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You can’t give a guarantee—is that what you’re saying? Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
Mr B.J. GRYLLS : Can the Leader of the Opposition guarantee that there will be no fraud committed in anything in WA? It is a ridiculous question. The bottom line is that we understand, as the lands agency and, I believe, the real estate industry understand, given that it now seems that this occurrence happened twice, we need to do much more to assure that the identity of a person who is selling a property actually is that person and that they own the property. I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
I was confident that Landgate took enough steps when this matter first occurred. It is quite clear now that we need to go further. The Premier was talking in Parliament a few weeks ago about the integrity of government information. I think it is now clear in this particular area that we also have to be very, very diligent. Again, we will look at all avenues available to the government to protect the integrity of the titling and the land transaction systems. That work will occur as of last week.
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