❓ The Premier confirms the Twomey report's release will follow cabinet consideration, as stated by the Minister for Education. He expresses disappointment with the teachers' union's attitude towards arbitration and defends the government's position in the industrial dispute.
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TEACHERS — TWOMEY REPORT
I refer to the Premier’s comments yesterday regarding the release of the Twomey report on teaching workforce issues that we need to resolve the industrial dispute. Can the Premier confirm that the Twomey report will not be released until after the industrial action with the State School Teachers’ Union is resolved or will it be, as the Minister for Education and Training has repeatedly stated, when it has been considered by cabinet? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
I refer to the Premier’s comments yesterday regarding the release of the Twomey report on teaching workforce issues that we need to resolve the industrial dispute. Can the Premier confirm that the Twomey report will not be released until after the industrial action with the State School Teachers’ Union is resolved or will it be, as the Minister for Education and Training has repeatedly stated, when it has been considered by cabinet? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
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It will be as the Minister for Education and Training said, member for South Perth. The point that I was making yesterday is that the industrial dispute is now in arbitration. There is a lot of commentary around about that. I find it somewhat disappointing that the teachers’ union leadership has taken an attitude that arbitration is some sort of negative outcome. The union movement in Australia has fought tooth and nail to maintain the structure, which includes an arbitrated outcome if resolution through dialogue cannot occur. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Fought! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: It will be as the Minister for Education and Training said, member for South Perth. The point that I was making yesterday is that the industrial dispute is now in arbitration. There is a lot of commentary around about that. I find it somewhat disappointing that the teachers’ union leadership has taken an attitude that arbitration is some sort of negative outcome. The union movement in Australia has fought tooth and nail to maintain the structure, which includes an arbitrated outcome if resolution through dialogue cannot occur. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Fought! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
It will be as the Minister for Education and Training said, member for South Perth. The point that I was making yesterday is that the industrial dispute is now in arbitration. There is a lot of commentary around about that. I find it somewhat disappointing that the teachers’ union leadership has taken an attitude that arbitration is some sort of negative outcome. The union movement in Australia has fought tooth and nail to maintain the structure, which includes an arbitrated outcome if resolution through dialogue cannot occur. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Fought! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Fought! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: It will be as the Minister for Education and Training said, member for South Perth. The point that I was making yesterday is that the industrial dispute is now in arbitration. There is a lot of commentary around about that. I find it somewhat disappointing that the teachers’ union leadership has taken an attitude that arbitration is some sort of negative outcome. The union movement in Australia has fought tooth and nail to maintain the structure, which includes an arbitrated outcome if resolution through dialogue cannot occur. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Fought! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
It will be as the Minister for Education and Training said, member for South Perth. The point that I was making yesterday is that the industrial dispute is now in arbitration. There is a lot of commentary around about that. I find it somewhat disappointing that the teachers’ union leadership has taken an attitude that arbitration is some sort of negative outcome. The union movement in Australia has fought tooth and nail to maintain the structure, which includes an arbitrated outcome if resolution through dialogue cannot occur. Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Fought! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Ms A.J.G. MacTiernan : Fought! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Tooth and nail. Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr J.H.D. Day : That wasn’t the question. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was the question, in fact. It was the context of the question. Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr J.H.D. Day interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
The SPEAKER : Order, member for Darling Range! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have been through the enterprise bargaining agreement process as an education minister and it is a difficult process. Unless one caves in, rolls over and signs the cheque for what would be an exorbitant expense to the state, with flow-on expenses unbeknown, one finds oneself in a very difficult bargaining and negotiating argument. Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Dr J.M. Woollard : Thirty-five years as a teacher and a gross salary of $65 000—do you think that’s fair? Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr E.S. Ripper interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Anyway, let us not get into that. I will try to stick to the road. I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
I believe that the arbitration process can be concluded relatively quickly. We do not know, but I hope that it will not be some drawn-out process along the lines that is being predicted by the teachers’ union. We have, I think, luckily, gratefully, a system to resolve disputes. We have come to the point where an independent arbitrator will resolve this dispute. That happened as well when I was the education minister. Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr J.H.D. Day : Why won’t you put that report out? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It goes to this point though. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you hiding? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing other than what is on the table. What is being put on the table is the offer in the first place, what our potential is and what is being put as the demands by the teachers’ union—that needs to be drawn into this. The teachers’ union needs to go to the arbitrator and outline its case. The government has put an offer historically and we can go to the arbitration commission and put our case and the independent umpire will decide. The Twomey report process is completely separate to all that and it will be. Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr J.H.D. Day : Put it out then! Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : As I said, I have had face-to-face discussions with the teachers’ union representative representing the teachers’ union executive. The union has embraced this concept as if within the Twomey report there is some totemic solution to this issue. It is not the case; it is a report that straddles all of government. Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr M.J. Cowper : What are you trying to hide? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Nothing; there is nothing being held but it will be dealt with properly. I hope and trust — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
The SPEAKER : Order! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : — that the arbitration process will be conducted quickly and fairly and that the teachers will get a very good outcome from it. I am very glad that the union movement and this side of politics in Western Australia have fought so hard to maintain this system—this process—for this possibility, because without it we would be in greater difficulty.
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