❓ Question regarding Malcolm McCusker's advice to Cazaly Resources and the Premier's awareness of it, followed by a heated debate about party divisions and leadership, particularly concerning a motion and the potential for members to cross the floor.
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MALCOLM MCCUSKER, QC - ACTION BY PREMIER
I ask a supplementary question. Is the Premier aware that page 113 of the report of the Select Committee of Privilege on a Matter Arising in the Standing Committee on Estimates and Financial Operations states that Malcolm McCusker, QC was engaged as counsel for Cazaly Resources and provided advice to Cazaly Resources on the terms of reference for the proposed inquiry? Mr P.D. Omodei : Have you read the report? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
I ask a supplementary question. Is the Premier aware that page 113 of the report of the Select Committee of Privilege on a Matter Arising in the Standing Committee on Estimates and Financial Operations states that Malcolm McCusker, QC was engaged as counsel for Cazaly Resources and provided advice to Cazaly Resources on the terms of reference for the proposed inquiry? Mr P.D. Omodei : Have you read the report? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
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I have. Member for Avon, I read the report. I got the report last Tuesday afternoon and read most of it on Tuesday night. I got up first thing on Wednesday morning and read the report. May I take this opportunity to say that I think that in light of all the evidence in that report, I, and the other people on this side of the house, have acted appropriately, which is something I cannot say for people on the other side. Although, I did note last night that the National Party - I think the member for Avon was absent by this time - had agreed to support our motion. Correct? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr P.D. Omodei : Have you read the report? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I have. Member for Avon, I read the report. I got the report last Tuesday afternoon and read most of it on Tuesday night. I got up first thing on Wednesday morning and read the report. May I take this opportunity to say that I think that in light of all the evidence in that report, I, and the other people on this side of the house, have acted appropriately, which is something I cannot say for people on the other side. Although, I did note last night that the National Party - I think the member for Avon was absent by this time - had agreed to support our motion. Correct? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I have. Member for Avon, I read the report. I got the report last Tuesday afternoon and read most of it on Tuesday night. I got up first thing on Wednesday morning and read the report. May I take this opportunity to say that I think that in light of all the evidence in that report, I, and the other people on this side of the house, have acted appropriately, which is something I cannot say for people on the other side. Although, I did note last night that the National Party - I think the member for Avon was absent by this time - had agreed to support our motion. Correct? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
I have. Member for Avon, I read the report. I got the report last Tuesday afternoon and read most of it on Tuesday night. I got up first thing on Wednesday morning and read the report. May I take this opportunity to say that I think that in light of all the evidence in that report, I, and the other people on this side of the house, have acted appropriately, which is something I cannot say for people on the other side. Although, I did note last night that the National Party - I think the member for Avon was absent by this time - had agreed to support our motion. Correct? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr P.D. Omodei : Have you read the report? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I have. Member for Avon, I read the report. I got the report last Tuesday afternoon and read most of it on Tuesday night. I got up first thing on Wednesday morning and read the report. May I take this opportunity to say that I think that in light of all the evidence in that report, I, and the other people on this side of the house, have acted appropriately, which is something I cannot say for people on the other side. Although, I did note last night that the National Party - I think the member for Avon was absent by this time - had agreed to support our motion. Correct? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I have. Member for Avon, I read the report. I got the report last Tuesday afternoon and read most of it on Tuesday night. I got up first thing on Wednesday morning and read the report. May I take this opportunity to say that I think that in light of all the evidence in that report, I, and the other people on this side of the house, have acted appropriately, which is something I cannot say for people on the other side. Although, I did note last night that the National Party - I think the member for Avon was absent by this time - had agreed to support our motion. Correct? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
I have. Member for Avon, I read the report. I got the report last Tuesday afternoon and read most of it on Tuesday night. I got up first thing on Wednesday morning and read the report. May I take this opportunity to say that I think that in light of all the evidence in that report, I, and the other people on this side of the house, have acted appropriately, which is something I cannot say for people on the other side. Although, I did note last night that the National Party - I think the member for Avon was absent by this time - had agreed to support our motion. Correct? Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I interpreted the member for Nedlands’ remarks as saying that she would also support our motion. Is that correct? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, and the member for Churchlands. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The member for Churchlands, yes, I know. So the member for Nedlands supported our motion? Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ms S.E. Walker : Yes, I would have if you had voted; if you had called a division. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I raise the question of leadership. All the speeches by everybody on the other side of Parliament were, I thought, in violent opposition to our motion. The reason members opposite did not want the motion to go to the vote was that they were split. Members on the other side of the chamber were split. Some of them wanted to come over to the government side. The reason that members opposite did not call for a division and did not want that motion to be taken to a vote was that they were split. The member for Nedlands would have crossed the floor and voted for us, would she not? Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ms S.E. Walker : I would have been consistent, yes. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Yes, the member for Nedlands would have been consistent. Members opposite did not want to create that massive embarrassment for themselves, because the member for Nedlands was prepared to cross the floor last night and vote for us on that motion, which is why they did not dissent. Although the speeches by most, if not all, members opposite - including, sadly and somewhat pathetically, the member for Roe - criticised and attacked the motion, the member for Nedlands was going to cross the floor, and there may have been one or two other members on that side who were also going to cross the floor because they knew that our motion was the right thing to do, despite all the rhetoric that came from the Leader of the Opposition. Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ladies and gentlemen, what did we hear today? What a show of courage we had today from the Leader of the Opposition when he went on talkback radio and was confronted with the public of Western Australia, or that part thereof that listens to 6PR! What did he say? Knowing that there was a storm out there waiting to attack him, he said that of course Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament! Did he not? Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr P.D. Omodei : I believe she should be expelled from the Parliament! I don’t have the power to make that decision and nor do you! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the Leader of the Opposition now believe that Shelley Archer should be expelled from the Parliament? We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
We all live in this strange parallel universe. The opposition says and does one thing in the chamber, but when it comes to showing its colours - having to actually vote - it does not want to do that because it will see the divisions open up. That reflects badly on the Leader of the Opposition. Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr P.D. Omodei : I don’t intimidate my members by threatening their futures! Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You certainly do not intimidate anyone on your side! Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I thank the member for Avon for the question because members of the Liberal Party will not ask any questions about this matter. I said yesterday that the Leader of the Opposition faced a crucial test of leadership and I predicted he would fail. He has failed! He failed the member for Nedlands! The member for Nedlands told us today that she would have crossed the chamber and voted for us. I think there were other people on that side who would have done the same. Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr P.D. Omodei : What has that to do with the question? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is a clear demonstration of the failings of the leadership on the Liberal Party side of Parliament. We live in some parallel universe where the Leader of the Opposition can say and do what he likes in this place, but when he has to go out and confront the public he backs off at 1 000 miles an hour. He sat there on talkback radio and said that of course Hon Shelley Archer should be expelled. Talk about marrying up transcripts! I marry that up with what the Leader of the Opposition said in the chamber yesterday - that it was outrageous that we should even suggest that proposition. However, as soon as the blowtorch of public opinion was applied to the Leader of the Opposition, he caved in feebly, weakly. Feebly and weakly, the Leader of the Opposition caved in. There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
There are two women on the other side of Parliament. They have more strength than any of the men on the other side. Thank God! What a shame there are not more women on that side of Parliament. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Three - I beg your pardon, the member for Constable! Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Member for Churchlands! Thank you very much. How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
How sadly unreflective of the general community that group of people opposite are! How sadly unreflective: only two women and no Indigenous Western Australians whatsoever in their group. How sadly unreflective of the community. What a narrow range of the community their narrow and prejudiced views reflect, which is why both women in the state Liberal Party find themselves in very difficult positions when dealing with their colleagues. I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
I thank the member for Avon for the opportunity to make these comments. I did want to express my view about the complete failure of the Liberal Party in Parliament. There is no suggestion in that document, as I read it, that Malcolm McCusker has done anything wrong. If there had been a suggestion, I would have thought that the committee would have asked him to come before it. Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Does the member for Nedlands believe that Malcolm McCusker has acted appropriately? Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Ms S.E. Walker : I believe that it should be looked at. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not called before the committee. There are only second or third-hand accounts of anything he said. He was never given the opportunity to speak before the committee. I will leave it at that.
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