❓ A parliamentary question regarding alleged bureaucratic red tape impacting the WA Volunteer Fire and Rescue Services Association Easter Championships. The Minister's response denies the allegations, challenges the Shadow Minister's claims, and defends FESA.
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WA VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES ASSOCIATION — EASTER CHAMPIONSHIPS
Before I ask this question, I want to congratulate all the volunteers at the upcoming WA Volunteer Fire and Rescue Services Association Easter Championships, particularly the volunteers from Harvey in my electorate who will be there once again doing a very good job. Yesterday the Minister for Emergency Services was asked whether he was aware that bureaucratic red tape was threatening the future of the fire and rescue volunteers’ Easter championships. Can the minister shed any light on what this alleged bureaucratic red tape may be? Ms M.M. Quirk : So the minister has caught up with the rest of us now, has he? Mr R.F. JOHNSON
Before I ask this question, I want to congratulate all the volunteers at the upcoming WA Volunteer Fire and Rescue Services Association Easter Championships, particularly the volunteers from Harvey in my electorate who will be there once again doing a very good job. Yesterday the Minister for Emergency Services was asked whether he was aware that bureaucratic red tape was threatening the future of the fire and rescue volunteers’ Easter championships. Can the minister shed any light on what this alleged bureaucratic red tape may be? Ms M.M. Quirk : So the minister has caught up with the rest of us now, has he? Mr R.F. JOHNSON
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What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Yesterday the Minister for Emergency Services was asked whether he was aware that bureaucratic red tape was threatening the future of the fire and rescue volunteers’ Easter championships. Can the minister shed any light on what this alleged bureaucratic red tape may be? Ms M.M. Quirk : So the minister has caught up with the rest of us now, has he? Mr R.F. JOHNSON replied: What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Ms M.M. Quirk : So the minister has caught up with the rest of us now, has he? Mr R.F. JOHNSON replied: What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON replied: What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Yesterday the Minister for Emergency Services was asked whether he was aware that bureaucratic red tape was threatening the future of the fire and rescue volunteers’ Easter championships. Can the minister shed any light on what this alleged bureaucratic red tape may be? Ms M.M. Quirk : So the minister has caught up with the rest of us now, has he? Mr R.F. JOHNSON replied: What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Ms M.M. Quirk : So the minister has caught up with the rest of us now, has he? Mr R.F. JOHNSON replied: What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON replied: What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
What a pearler! When the member for Girrawheen asked me this Machiavellian question yesterday, she did not highlight who she was talking about. She made the assertion that some bureaucrats—obviously within FESA, because I assume that must be the organisation—were interfering and causing problems with this special championship function in North Fremantle over the weekend. When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
When I asked the member for Girrawheen yesterday to give me the name of one bureaucrat who was interfering, she sat—as she is now—and would not say a word to me. Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Ms M.M. Quirk : Have you spoken to any volunteers about it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am getting to the member’s question! The member for Girrawheen sent out a press release this morning, once again making these assertions about bureaucrats—obviously one has to assume they are within FESA, a very, very professional organisation that she is supposed to be supportive of as the shadow minister. She is asserting that some dreadful things are happening there, and that they are interfering with the good running of the championships at North Fremantle. However, the member does not say how they are interfering. She will not say! Who is doing it? She will not say. I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
I had a job sleeping last night, because I kept asking myself whether there was something she knew that I did not. The worst thing in the world is for a shadow minister to know something that the minister does not know. Even in the member’s press release today, she did not know. FESA has been working very, very hard trying to find out exactly what the member for Girrawheen was referring to in her question yesterday, and they are absolutely baffled over her comments. I called the member for Girrawheen a name once before, and the manager of opposition business did not like it, but some people have said the member for Girrawheen is like Rip Van Winkle because she dreams these things up. I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
I have confirmation also from the — Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr A.P. O’Gorman : You cannot read your notes can you? You need your glasses. Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : No, I cannot; I need to put my glasses on! The president of the volunteer association has said that what the member for Girrawheen said is a nonsense. It is a nonsense to suggest that bureaucratic red tape is threatening the games—a nonsense! That was the comment. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Who was the person who said that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition can ask the person behind him. The member for Girrawheen knows! Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You are the one quoting. Who is it? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The volunteer association president. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Who is that? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : I am not going to name that person because I am not going to criticise that person. I do not want to bring that person’s name into this place. The member for Girrawheen is making all these assertions, but she has not got the guts to name the person making the complaint. That is because there is no person making that complaint. The Leader of the Opposition’s colleague is making the assertions, not me, my friend. I ask the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person who she says — Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : You are quoting the president and you do not know who the president is. The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr M.J. Cowper : Do you know who the president is? Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : Why should we tell you? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Why should we say? I am not going to bandy names around this place. If that is the person whom the member for Girrawheen is alluding to, I do not think it would be fair to mention that person’s name. If the member for Girrawheen has something to say and has anything to substantiate her allegations, she should come out and have the guts to say it. The member should not just make ambiguous comments that some people find very offensive because they think she is alluding to them. Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Who? Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The Leader of the Opposition should ask his colleague the member for Girrawheen to have the guts to name the person she is alluding to. It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
It is shameful what the member for Girrawheen has done. It is absolutely shameful—against a great organisation—in a situation in which FESA and the organisers have some concerns over safety, because there have been quite a few accidents over the years. Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr E.S. Ripper : So there are concerns! Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
Mr R.F. JOHNSON : Is that what members opposite call “bureaucratic red tape,” when someone takes an interest to ensure that safety issues are covered and is concerned that money has been paid to volunteers when they have been involved in accidents over the past few years? Is that interference? Is that bureaucratic red tape? That shows the concern members opposite have for those volunteers! We support those volunteers, but from the comments made by members opposite, they do not.
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