❓ Opposition questions the delay in publishing the Fiona Stanley Hospital's Serco contract, alleging a cover-up. The Minister denies hiding information, blaming the State Solicitor's Office for assessing commercial sensitivity, and announces the redacted contract is now online.
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FIONA STANLEY HOSPITAL — SERCO CONTRACT
The minister’s government gave a commitment to release the facilities management services contract for Fiona Stanley Hospital, and the head of Serco has said that his company would be happy for it to be open to public scrutiny. (1) Can the minister confirm that last-minute discussions between lawyers for the government and Serco about what information should actually remain secret and unpublished has meant that the contract publishing has been delayed this week? (2) Is this delay as a result of the government and Serco attempting to hide details of the contract? (3) Will the minister provide to the Parliament today a list of the sections of the contract which he has deemed commercially sensitive and which will be removed from public scrutiny? Dr K.D. HAMES
The minister’s government gave a commitment to release the facilities management services contract for Fiona Stanley Hospital, and the head of Serco has said that his company would be happy for it to be open to public scrutiny. (1) Can the minister confirm that last-minute discussions between lawyers for the government and Serco about what information should actually remain secret and unpublished has meant that the contract publishing has been delayed this week? (2) Is this delay as a result of the government and Serco attempting to hide details of the contract? (3) Will the minister provide to the Parliament today a list of the sections of the contract which he has deemed commercially sensitive and which will be removed from public scrutiny? Dr K.D. HAMES
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(1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
(1) Can the minister confirm that last-minute discussions between lawyers for the government and Serco about what information should actually remain secret and unpublished has meant that the contract publishing has been delayed this week? (2) Is this delay as a result of the government and Serco attempting to hide details of the contract? (3) Will the minister provide to the Parliament today a list of the sections of the contract which he has deemed commercially sensitive and which will be removed from public scrutiny? Dr K.D. HAMES replied: (1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
(2) Is this delay as a result of the government and Serco attempting to hide details of the contract? (3) Will the minister provide to the Parliament today a list of the sections of the contract which he has deemed commercially sensitive and which will be removed from public scrutiny? Dr K.D. HAMES replied: (1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
(3) Will the minister provide to the Parliament today a list of the sections of the contract which he has deemed commercially sensitive and which will be removed from public scrutiny? Dr K.D. HAMES replied: (1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: (1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
(1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
(1) Can the minister confirm that last-minute discussions between lawyers for the government and Serco about what information should actually remain secret and unpublished has meant that the contract publishing has been delayed this week? (2) Is this delay as a result of the government and Serco attempting to hide details of the contract? (3) Will the minister provide to the Parliament today a list of the sections of the contract which he has deemed commercially sensitive and which will be removed from public scrutiny? Dr K.D. HAMES replied: (1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
(2) Is this delay as a result of the government and Serco attempting to hide details of the contract? (3) Will the minister provide to the Parliament today a list of the sections of the contract which he has deemed commercially sensitive and which will be removed from public scrutiny? Dr K.D. HAMES replied: (1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
(3) Will the minister provide to the Parliament today a list of the sections of the contract which he has deemed commercially sensitive and which will be removed from public scrutiny? Dr K.D. HAMES replied: (1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: (1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
(1)–(3) The answer to the last question is zero, because there are no parts of that contract that I have determined are secret and should not be published. What is happening is that there are discussions between Serco and the State Solicitor’s Office about which parts the State Solicitor’s Office regards as being commercially sensitive and therefore not appropriate for publishing. It is true, as the member says, that there has been a slight delay in publishing the contract. When we announced the contract last week, we said that we thought it would be on the website by Friday. There was a delay as a result of those discussions occurring, and I think it might be on the website today, if not tomorrow. Certainly, my understanding is that the contract will go on the website in the next couple of days. The only aspects of the contract that are being kept confidential, as I understand, are commercial ones or ones involving, for example, some aspects of security whereby Serco believes that there might be advantages to the public in knowing how some of those aspects of the security system might work. But I have no problem with providing the member with a list of those areas, once I have them, because I do not know what areas are proposed to be kept confidential. What I have said, however, is that I want as much information as possible on the website. If I remember rightly, there was talk about a section that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website, particularly key performance indicators; that is what it was. There were a lot of KPIs that the State Solicitor’s Office did not want on the website. I said, “Nonsense. Why shouldn’t those KPIs still be on there?” What I understand is — Mr R.H. Cook : Why don’t you just make the contract available to Parliament today? Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : The member should wait till he asks his supplementary question. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not have the contract. My understanding is that it is going to be on the internet. By the time question time finishes, I am sure I will have got a little message from my staff about exactly which day it will be on the website. Here we go! Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Mr C.J. Barnett : What an efficient minister! Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : The redacted contract is now on the official website—there we go—with the exception of the KPIs, which will be on the website later today. Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Mr R.H. Cook : The entire contract? Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : No. As I have already explained to the member, it is not the entire contract. Yes, I will tell the member the areas that the State Solicitor’s Office has decided are confidential. But my understanding is that it is exactly the same area of information as is in the existing contract that Serco has with the Minister for Corrective Services. Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Mr E.S. Ripper : What areas are they? Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I will give them to the opposition when I have them. I do not know what they are. Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Today? Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
Dr K.D. HAMES : If I get them today, I will give them to the opposition today. If I get them tomorrow, I will give them to the opposition tomorrow. I will give them to the opposition.
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