❓ Question regarding communication between the Minister for Police and Emergency Services and Adam Spagnolo about "the Godfather" affair. The Premier denies any such communication and questions the scope and implications of the inquiry.
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MINISTER FOR POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES - COMMUNICATION WITH ADAM SPAGNOLO
I have given the Premier some notice of this question. Can the Premier advise the house whether his Minister for Police and Emergency Services or any of the minister’s staff or electorate office staff have had any verbal or written communication with Mr Adam Spagnolo regarding “the Godfather” affair; and, if so, what was the detail of that communication and on what date or dates did it occur? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
I have given the Premier some notice of this question. Can the Premier advise the house whether his Minister for Police and Emergency Services or any of the minister’s staff or electorate office staff have had any verbal or written communication with Mr Adam Spagnolo regarding “the Godfather” affair; and, if so, what was the detail of that communication and on what date or dates did it occur? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
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I thank the member for Kalgoorlie for the question. In brief, I have been advised that the answer to the question is no. I do not have a problem with providing that answer, but I refer to the question that was asked; that is, can I advise the house whether the Minister for Police and Emergency Services or any of the minister’s staff or electorate office staff have had any verbal or written communication with Mr Adam Spagnolo regarding this particular matter? Am I supposed to know or be given the details of the verbal communications made by the electorate office staff of every member of Parliament? Mr M.J. Birney : You were given notice. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Kalgoorlie for the question. In brief, I have been advised that the answer to the question is no. I do not have a problem with providing that answer, but I refer to the question that was asked; that is, can I advise the house whether the Minister for Police and Emergency Services or any of the minister’s staff or electorate office staff have had any verbal or written communication with Mr Adam Spagnolo regarding this particular matter? Am I supposed to know or be given the details of the verbal communications made by the electorate office staff of every member of Parliament? Mr M.J. Birney : You were given notice. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
I thank the member for Kalgoorlie for the question. In brief, I have been advised that the answer to the question is no. I do not have a problem with providing that answer, but I refer to the question that was asked; that is, can I advise the house whether the Minister for Police and Emergency Services or any of the minister’s staff or electorate office staff have had any verbal or written communication with Mr Adam Spagnolo regarding this particular matter? Am I supposed to know or be given the details of the verbal communications made by the electorate office staff of every member of Parliament? Mr M.J. Birney : You were given notice. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : You were given notice. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Kalgoorlie for the question. In brief, I have been advised that the answer to the question is no. I do not have a problem with providing that answer, but I refer to the question that was asked; that is, can I advise the house whether the Minister for Police and Emergency Services or any of the minister’s staff or electorate office staff have had any verbal or written communication with Mr Adam Spagnolo regarding this particular matter? Am I supposed to know or be given the details of the verbal communications made by the electorate office staff of every member of Parliament? Mr M.J. Birney : You were given notice. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
I thank the member for Kalgoorlie for the question. In brief, I have been advised that the answer to the question is no. I do not have a problem with providing that answer, but I refer to the question that was asked; that is, can I advise the house whether the Minister for Police and Emergency Services or any of the minister’s staff or electorate office staff have had any verbal or written communication with Mr Adam Spagnolo regarding this particular matter? Am I supposed to know or be given the details of the verbal communications made by the electorate office staff of every member of Parliament? Mr M.J. Birney : You were given notice. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : You were given notice. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I know that. Am I supposed to provide that information? If there is a question regarding the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate staff, am I supposed to be able to extract from his electorate office staff the details of every conversation they may have had with a particular individual about a particular matter? Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Several members interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Am I? If I generated a question from my side asking that I seek information about a conversation from any of the member for Kalgoorlie’s electorate office staff, would they provide me with that information? Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr D.F. Barron-Sullivan : Can’t your staff provide that information? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is that where we are getting to: that I can seek from the member for Kalgoorlie information about any conversation that any member of his electorate office staff has had on any matter? I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
I want to dwell on the member for Kalgoorlie’s position on this matter and point out some of the inconsistencies. For a start, Mr Speaker, as you may or may not know, technically you are the employer of the staff and not me. Therefore, technically the question probably should have gone to the Speaker, although I am quite happy to be of some assistance on this occasion. I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
I also took great note of the 80-odd minutes of policy detail that the member for Kalgoorlie gave to the house yesterday on a whole range of issues, including his view of whether people who are charged with criminal offences should be named in advance of being found guilty. I find it a little hard to reconcile how his position of yesterday lines up with his pursuit of this matter and Adam Spagnolo and the comments he is making about Adam Spagnolo. Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : It is consistent. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not consistent because the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this chamber that his strong and passionate view is that when people are charged with a criminal offence, they should not be named until and unless they are found guilty. How does he explain that little anomaly in his logic? This is what the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday in this house - Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Another issue that has always concerned me is that the media are allowed to print somebody’s name in the newspaper in connection with criminal allegations - Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Allegations, not charges, and it outrages him - without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
without those allegations having been proved to be true. Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Let alone that they should be proved to be untrue. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech - heroin injecting rooms? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It is not the Leader of the Opposition’s maiden speech that I am referring to. Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : Do you stand by your maiden speech? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Do I detect a low level of sensitivity? Do I detect that the Leader of the Opposition may have yet again been caught out by saying too much without thinking about what he is saying? Is that what I detect? Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : I stand by my maiden speech. Do you? Do you still want to change the Western Australian flag and do you still want heroin injecting rooms? The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
The SPEAKER : I call the Leader of the Opposition to order for the first time. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The Leader of the Opposition made the remarks I am referring to yesterday. He said he was outraged that people who had allegations raised against them should be named. Point of Order Mr P.D. OMODEI : I refer to standing order 94, which refers to relevance. The question that has been directed to the Premier relates to discussions within the minister’s office and I ask you, Mr Speaker, to draw him to that question. The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
The SPEAKER : The Premier is not in breach of that standing order. I ask him to continue. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Thank you, Mr Speaker. The member for Kalgoorlie said - He appears on page 1 of the newspaper in connection with those allegations. Twelve months later - Not a few days later, but 12 months later - he is found not guilty - the complaint was not upheld - and the story appears on page 101. We know that part did not happen. He said - If the person has been found guilty, it is open slather; anything goes. However, until that person has been found guilty, we must recognise that another court operates in the community, - Very wise words, Leader of the Opposition. Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : Will you change the law? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I do recognise that another court operates. To continue - and it is called the court of public opinion. Sadly, the court of public opinion convicts people before the courts have a chance to do so. The member for Kalgoorlie just asked me a pertinent question about his statement: will I change the law? No. If the Leader of the Opposition gets the chance, will he change the law so that all the people in the Western Australian community who are charged with offences or have allegations raised against them cannot have their names published unless or until they are found guilty? If he is, let us know. It was one of the many points in his excellent and wide-ranging dissertation on public policy in Western Australia. The Leader of the Opposition has made a classic error. He is one of those people who must fill the available space no matter what rubbish he puts into that available space. What he has done is provide us with an armoury of information to hold up against him on his own policy assertions. I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
I have given the answer to the question in relation to the Minister for Police. I will leave it up to other people. Does the shadow Minister for Police support the suppression of names, no matter what, until the person is convicted? Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Several members interjected. Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr M.J. Birney : You said you supported my words. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : No, I did not. I love this. I will sit down very shortly. The member for Kalgoorlie is rich in several qualities and one of them is wilful ignorance. He is ignorant and is proud of it. He is proud to be wilfully ignorant. He made that assertion yesterday in this chamber. I would like to know if any other single person in the Parliament agrees with him. The member for Nedlands has a legal background - she cannot speak; she has her mouth full. The member for Warren-Blackwood has his first chance to support his leader. Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr P.D. Omodei : If you want to ask me a question, ask me a question so that I can give a full answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I think I have done enough.
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Pollie Rankings
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Amendment Chains
Track how schemes and regulations evolve over time.