The Leader of the Opposition questions the Acting Premier about ministerial standards, specifically regarding the Minister for Tourism and a pending court case, while the Acting Premier deflects by raising concerns about the Leader of the Opposition's handling of a shadow minister's conviction.

AnsweredQoN 1355Legislative Assembly
Asked
2 December 2003
Portfolio
Acting Premier

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I have a supplementary question. Will the Acting Premier now immediately stand aside the Minister for Tourism until such time as the Court of Criminal Appeal case is concluded, as is consistent with every tradition of the Westminster system? Mr J.A. McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr C.J. Barnett: We make no judgment. The member should stand aside for the week. Mr E.S. RIPPER

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If the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on dealing with ministers against whom no allegations have been made, perhaps he might like to deal with a shadow minister against whom an allegation has not only been made, but also been found to be true. What has the Leader of the Opposition done about Hon Norman Moore, if the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on ministerial standards? Mr C.J. Barnett: Did he lose his drivers licence? There is a clear issue. Under the parliamentary Westminster tradition, if a minister is involved in a matter before the courts, he should stand aside while the court case proceeds. No judgment is made about him. It is an absolutely clear principle. He should stand aside for this week, at least. Mr E.S. RIPPER: There is a significant difference between someone who might or might not be a witness in a court case and a shadow minister who is not a witness, but is the defendant and has been convicted. We know that Hon Norman Moore comes from the other faction in the Liberal Party - the ABC faction - and the Leader of the Opposition is so weak that he cannot do anything about it. Several members interjected. Withdrawal of Remark Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Pursuant to the new standards you have set for the House, Mr Speaker, the member for Kalgoorlie just referred to the Acting Premier as a hypocrite, and should be made to withdraw that remark. The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
Mr J.A. McGinty: What a load of rubbish. Mr C.J. Barnett: We make no judgment. The member should stand aside for the week. Mr E.S. RIPPER replied: If the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on dealing with ministers against whom no allegations have been made, perhaps he might like to deal with a shadow minister against whom an allegation has not only been made, but also been found to be true. What has the Leader of the Opposition done about Hon Norman Moore, if the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on ministerial standards? Mr C.J. Barnett: Did he lose his drivers licence? There is a clear issue. Under the parliamentary Westminster tradition, if a minister is involved in a matter before the courts, he should stand aside while the court case proceeds. No judgment is made about him. It is an absolutely clear principle. He should stand aside for this week, at least. Mr E.S. RIPPER: There is a significant difference between someone who might or might not be a witness in a court case and a shadow minister who is not a witness, but is the defendant and has been convicted. We know that Hon Norman Moore comes from the other faction in the Liberal Party - the ABC faction - and the Leader of the Opposition is so weak that he cannot do anything about it. Several members interjected. Withdrawal of Remark Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Pursuant to the new standards you have set for the House, Mr Speaker, the member for Kalgoorlie just referred to the Acting Premier as a hypocrite, and should be made to withdraw that remark. The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
Mr C.J. Barnett: We make no judgment. The member should stand aside for the week. Mr E.S. RIPPER replied: If the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on dealing with ministers against whom no allegations have been made, perhaps he might like to deal with a shadow minister against whom an allegation has not only been made, but also been found to be true. What has the Leader of the Opposition done about Hon Norman Moore, if the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on ministerial standards? Mr C.J. Barnett: Did he lose his drivers licence? There is a clear issue. Under the parliamentary Westminster tradition, if a minister is involved in a matter before the courts, he should stand aside while the court case proceeds. No judgment is made about him. It is an absolutely clear principle. He should stand aside for this week, at least. Mr E.S. RIPPER: There is a significant difference between someone who might or might not be a witness in a court case and a shadow minister who is not a witness, but is the defendant and has been convicted. We know that Hon Norman Moore comes from the other faction in the Liberal Party - the ABC faction - and the Leader of the Opposition is so weak that he cannot do anything about it. Several members interjected. Withdrawal of Remark Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Pursuant to the new standards you have set for the House, Mr Speaker, the member for Kalgoorlie just referred to the Acting Premier as a hypocrite, and should be made to withdraw that remark. The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
Mr E.S. RIPPER replied: If the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on dealing with ministers against whom no allegations have been made, perhaps he might like to deal with a shadow minister against whom an allegation has not only been made, but also been found to be true. What has the Leader of the Opposition done about Hon Norman Moore, if the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on ministerial standards? Mr C.J. Barnett: Did he lose his drivers licence? There is a clear issue. Under the parliamentary Westminster tradition, if a minister is involved in a matter before the courts, he should stand aside while the court case proceeds. No judgment is made about him. It is an absolutely clear principle. He should stand aside for this week, at least. Mr E.S. RIPPER: There is a significant difference between someone who might or might not be a witness in a court case and a shadow minister who is not a witness, but is the defendant and has been convicted. We know that Hon Norman Moore comes from the other faction in the Liberal Party - the ABC faction - and the Leader of the Opposition is so weak that he cannot do anything about it. Several members interjected. Withdrawal of Remark Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Pursuant to the new standards you have set for the House, Mr Speaker, the member for Kalgoorlie just referred to the Acting Premier as a hypocrite, and should be made to withdraw that remark. The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
If the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on dealing with ministers against whom no allegations have been made, perhaps he might like to deal with a shadow minister against whom an allegation has not only been made, but also been found to be true. What has the Leader of the Opposition done about Hon Norman Moore, if the Leader of the Opposition is so hot on ministerial standards? Mr C.J. Barnett: Did he lose his drivers licence? There is a clear issue. Under the parliamentary Westminster tradition, if a minister is involved in a matter before the courts, he should stand aside while the court case proceeds. No judgment is made about him. It is an absolutely clear principle. He should stand aside for this week, at least. Mr E.S. RIPPER: There is a significant difference between someone who might or might not be a witness in a court case and a shadow minister who is not a witness, but is the defendant and has been convicted. We know that Hon Norman Moore comes from the other faction in the Liberal Party - the ABC faction - and the Leader of the Opposition is so weak that he cannot do anything about it. Several members interjected. Withdrawal of Remark Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Pursuant to the new standards you have set for the House, Mr Speaker, the member for Kalgoorlie just referred to the Acting Premier as a hypocrite, and should be made to withdraw that remark. The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
Mr C.J. Barnett: Did he lose his drivers licence? There is a clear issue. Under the parliamentary Westminster tradition, if a minister is involved in a matter before the courts, he should stand aside while the court case proceeds. No judgment is made about him. It is an absolutely clear principle. He should stand aside for this week, at least. Mr E.S. RIPPER: There is a significant difference between someone who might or might not be a witness in a court case and a shadow minister who is not a witness, but is the defendant and has been convicted. We know that Hon Norman Moore comes from the other faction in the Liberal Party - the ABC faction - and the Leader of the Opposition is so weak that he cannot do anything about it. Several members interjected. Withdrawal of Remark Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Pursuant to the new standards you have set for the House, Mr Speaker, the member for Kalgoorlie just referred to the Acting Premier as a hypocrite, and should be made to withdraw that remark. The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
Mr E.S. RIPPER: There is a significant difference between someone who might or might not be a witness in a court case and a shadow minister who is not a witness, but is the defendant and has been convicted. We know that Hon Norman Moore comes from the other faction in the Liberal Party - the ABC faction - and the Leader of the Opposition is so weak that he cannot do anything about it. Several members interjected. Withdrawal of Remark Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Pursuant to the new standards you have set for the House, Mr Speaker, the member for Kalgoorlie just referred to the Acting Premier as a hypocrite, and should be made to withdraw that remark. The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
Several members interjected. Withdrawal of Remark Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Pursuant to the new standards you have set for the House, Mr Speaker, the member for Kalgoorlie just referred to the Acting Premier as a hypocrite, and should be made to withdraw that remark. The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
The SPEAKER: I did not hear it, but I am sure that if the member for Kalgoorlie said that, he will withdraw it. Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
Mr M.J. BIRNEY: Indeed I did say that, and I withdraw it. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr E.S. RIPPER: The Leader of the Opposition has demonstrated incredible weakness in not being able to discipline Hon Norman Moore, just as he has displayed remarkable weakness in tolerating, weekend by weekend, the destabilisation of his leadership by his deputy. This is a remarkable display of leadership weakness and incompetence by the Leader of the Opposition on that matter, just as in the matter of Hon Norman Moore. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to make statements about ministerial accountability and standards, he should first deal with Hon Norman Moore. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.
The SPEAKER: I call to order for the first time the members for Nedlands and Kalgoorlie.

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