❓ Mr. Buswell questions the Premier about the Director General's involvement in the Office of Shared Services project failures and Mr. Mance's departure, which the Premier reframes as a 'management-initiated retirement'.
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OFFICE OF SHARED SERVICES - RON MANCE
I refer to the sacking of Ron Mance over the Office of Shared Services fiasco. (1) What involvement does the Director General of the Department of the Premier and Cabinet have, or has he had, with the Office of Shared Services project? (2) How has he been held to account for the fundamental management failures associated with the centrepiece of the government’s public sector reform? (3) What role did he play in the sacking of Mr Mance? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
I refer to the sacking of Ron Mance over the Office of Shared Services fiasco. (1) What involvement does the Director General of the Department of the Premier and Cabinet have, or has he had, with the Office of Shared Services project? (2) How has he been held to account for the fundamental management failures associated with the centrepiece of the government’s public sector reform? (3) What role did he play in the sacking of Mr Mance? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
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(1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
(1) What involvement does the Director General of the Department of the Premier and Cabinet have, or has he had, with the Office of Shared Services project? (2) How has he been held to account for the fundamental management failures associated with the centrepiece of the government’s public sector reform? (3) What role did he play in the sacking of Mr Mance? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
(2) How has he been held to account for the fundamental management failures associated with the centrepiece of the government’s public sector reform? (3) What role did he play in the sacking of Mr Mance? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
(3) What role did he play in the sacking of Mr Mance? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
(1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
(1) What involvement does the Director General of the Department of the Premier and Cabinet have, or has he had, with the Office of Shared Services project? (2) How has he been held to account for the fundamental management failures associated with the centrepiece of the government’s public sector reform? (3) What role did he play in the sacking of Mr Mance? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
(2) How has he been held to account for the fundamental management failures associated with the centrepiece of the government’s public sector reform? (3) What role did he play in the sacking of Mr Mance? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
(3) What role did he play in the sacking of Mr Mance? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
(1)-(3) I thank the member for the question. As I understand it from my knowledge of this issue, it was always under the authority of the minister who was the minister assisting the Minister for Public Sector Management, but because the Department of the Premier and Cabinet was overseeing the project and Mr Wauchope was at the apex - Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : Who had the ultimate responsibility for the project? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : The minister would have had ultimate responsibility. Mr Mance was the person in charge of the project at the coalface. The member used the term “sacking”; I reject that. I recall signing off on the document reluctantly, and as I explained it was a management-initiated retirement. Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : You pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I did not push him out. In fact, I tried to encourage - Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : Well, Mal Wauchope pushed him out. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I wanted Mr Mance to stay in the public sector because I believed he was a person of great integrity and we could use him, if not in that role, in another role. The discussion, as I understand it, took place between Mr Mance; the head of Treasury, the Under Treasurer, Mr Marney; and Mr Wauchope. Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : Mr Marney was involved in his sacking, was he? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : He was not sacked. This is a very simple point. Most members would understand the difference between being sacked as it is normally understood and a mutually agreed management-initiated retirement, under which Mr Mance exited the public sector. What was the other question? Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr T. Buswell : What role did Mr Wauchope play in his sacking? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Mr Wauchope brought to me, as the Premier, the document to be signed to approve the management-initiated retirement. I initially sought information on whether Mr Mance could be convinced to take on another role in the public sector. When I was told that he was not interested in that, I reluctantly signed the document. Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr R.F. Johnson : Why did you pay him? Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : It was a management-initiated retirement; a mutual agreement.
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