❓ WA Minister Ravlich strongly criticises Federal Minister Nelson's comments on the WA education system, accusing him and Hon Barry House of undermining public confidence and destructive behaviour. A heated exchange ensues.
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What is the impact of the recent comments made by Minister Nelson, the federal government Minister for Education, Science and Training, about the Western Australian education system on public confidence in our system. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH
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Minister Nelson’s comments are unwelcome, unwarranted, ill-founded and destructive, and, dare I say, deliberately destructive. I am not alone in this view. I have bipartisan support on this, as yesterday in the other place the member for Cottesloe said that the commonwealth government is extraordinarily destructive to education. The member for Cottesloe also said that he was very distressed about the way that various protagonists, including the media, are almost pulling down public confidence in our education system. Hon Colin Barnett also said that, as a former education minister, his key achievement, which was the introduction of the outcomes and standards framework, was being torn down and almost pulled apart. By whom? It is being torn down and pulled apart by none other than his former parliamentary secretary for education. Hon Barry House was parliamentary secretary from 1999 until 2001; why did he not criticise the outcomes and standards framework at that time? Hon Barry House : The whole system has gone off the rails since Peter Browne left; that is the crux of the matter. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: Minister Nelson’s comments are unwelcome, unwarranted, ill-founded and destructive, and, dare I say, deliberately destructive. I am not alone in this view. I have bipartisan support on this, as yesterday in the other place the member for Cottesloe said that the commonwealth government is extraordinarily destructive to education. The member for Cottesloe also said that he was very distressed about the way that various protagonists, including the media, are almost pulling down public confidence in our education system. Hon Colin Barnett also said that, as a former education minister, his key achievement, which was the introduction of the outcomes and standards framework, was being torn down and almost pulled apart. By whom? It is being torn down and pulled apart by none other than his former parliamentary secretary for education. Hon Barry House was parliamentary secretary from 1999 until 2001; why did he not criticise the outcomes and standards framework at that time? Hon Barry House : The whole system has gone off the rails since Peter Browne left; that is the crux of the matter. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Minister Nelson’s comments are unwelcome, unwarranted, ill-founded and destructive, and, dare I say, deliberately destructive. I am not alone in this view. I have bipartisan support on this, as yesterday in the other place the member for Cottesloe said that the commonwealth government is extraordinarily destructive to education. The member for Cottesloe also said that he was very distressed about the way that various protagonists, including the media, are almost pulling down public confidence in our education system. Hon Colin Barnett also said that, as a former education minister, his key achievement, which was the introduction of the outcomes and standards framework, was being torn down and almost pulled apart. By whom? It is being torn down and pulled apart by none other than his former parliamentary secretary for education. Hon Barry House was parliamentary secretary from 1999 until 2001; why did he not criticise the outcomes and standards framework at that time? Hon Barry House : The whole system has gone off the rails since Peter Browne left; that is the crux of the matter. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon Barry House : The whole system has gone off the rails since Peter Browne left; that is the crux of the matter. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: Minister Nelson’s comments are unwelcome, unwarranted, ill-founded and destructive, and, dare I say, deliberately destructive. I am not alone in this view. I have bipartisan support on this, as yesterday in the other place the member for Cottesloe said that the commonwealth government is extraordinarily destructive to education. The member for Cottesloe also said that he was very distressed about the way that various protagonists, including the media, are almost pulling down public confidence in our education system. Hon Colin Barnett also said that, as a former education minister, his key achievement, which was the introduction of the outcomes and standards framework, was being torn down and almost pulled apart. By whom? It is being torn down and pulled apart by none other than his former parliamentary secretary for education. Hon Barry House was parliamentary secretary from 1999 until 2001; why did he not criticise the outcomes and standards framework at that time? Hon Barry House : The whole system has gone off the rails since Peter Browne left; that is the crux of the matter. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Minister Nelson’s comments are unwelcome, unwarranted, ill-founded and destructive, and, dare I say, deliberately destructive. I am not alone in this view. I have bipartisan support on this, as yesterday in the other place the member for Cottesloe said that the commonwealth government is extraordinarily destructive to education. The member for Cottesloe also said that he was very distressed about the way that various protagonists, including the media, are almost pulling down public confidence in our education system. Hon Colin Barnett also said that, as a former education minister, his key achievement, which was the introduction of the outcomes and standards framework, was being torn down and almost pulled apart. By whom? It is being torn down and pulled apart by none other than his former parliamentary secretary for education. Hon Barry House was parliamentary secretary from 1999 until 2001; why did he not criticise the outcomes and standards framework at that time? Hon Barry House : The whole system has gone off the rails since Peter Browne left; that is the crux of the matter. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon Barry House : The whole system has gone off the rails since Peter Browne left; that is the crux of the matter. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : Now that there has been a change of government, the parliamentary secretary, who endorsed the outcomes and standards framework, does not support it. If that is not politics being played by the parliamentary secretary, who presided over these reforms - Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon Barry House : No, I didn’t. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : All right, Hon Barry House did not agree with Hon Colin Barnett. What was Hon Barry House’s position? I did not see Hon Barry House give up his parliamentary secretary’s position. Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon Barry House : The Department of Education and Training was well managed in those days by a good director general. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I did not see Hon Barry House give up anything. I share Colin Barnett’s view. Hon Barry House is destructive, as is Mr Nelson. Hon Barry House is in cahoots with Brendan Nelson, Nelson’s Victorian Liberal mate and some local Liberal malcontents in his very destructive behaviour. London has Nelson’s Column; Western Australia has Nelson’s fifth column. Mate, we have Nelson’s fifth column, and it is Hon Barry House, because of his destructive, deceitful, treacherous and traitorous behaviour. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
The DEPUTY PRESIDENT : Order, minister! I do not mind some passion being demonstrated, as Hon Ken Travers demonstrated this afternoon.
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