❓ Question on Notice regarding the $100,000 fine levied against G4S after Mr. Ward's death in custody and its allocation, with heated exchanges between members.
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MR WARD’S FAMILY — EX GRATIA PAYMENT
(1) Can the Attorney General confirm that the government fined the transport company G4S Australia and New Zealand $100 000 following the death of Mr Ward in line with the contractual penalty for a death in custody? (2) Can the Attorney General confirm that these funds were received by the government on 5 November 2009? (3) Will the Attorney General advise the house of the current state of these funds? (4) Why cannot this $100 000 be immediately transferred to the destitute family of the late Mr Ward as an interim payment before the Attorney General finalises the ex gratia payment? Mr C.C. PORTER
(1) Can the Attorney General confirm that the government fined the transport company G4S Australia and New Zealand $100 000 following the death of Mr Ward in line with the contractual penalty for a death in custody? (2) Can the Attorney General confirm that these funds were received by the government on 5 November 2009? (3) Will the Attorney General advise the house of the current state of these funds? (4) Why cannot this $100 000 be immediately transferred to the destitute family of the late Mr Ward as an interim payment before the Attorney General finalises the ex gratia payment? Mr C.C. PORTER
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I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(2) Can the Attorney General confirm that these funds were received by the government on 5 November 2009? (3) Will the Attorney General advise the house of the current state of these funds? (4) Why cannot this $100 000 be immediately transferred to the destitute family of the late Mr Ward as an interim payment before the Attorney General finalises the ex gratia payment? Mr C.C. PORTER replied: I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(3) Will the Attorney General advise the house of the current state of these funds? (4) Why cannot this $100 000 be immediately transferred to the destitute family of the late Mr Ward as an interim payment before the Attorney General finalises the ex gratia payment? Mr C.C. PORTER replied: I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(4) Why cannot this $100 000 be immediately transferred to the destitute family of the late Mr Ward as an interim payment before the Attorney General finalises the ex gratia payment? Mr C.C. PORTER replied: I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER replied: I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(2) Can the Attorney General confirm that these funds were received by the government on 5 November 2009? (3) Will the Attorney General advise the house of the current state of these funds? (4) Why cannot this $100 000 be immediately transferred to the destitute family of the late Mr Ward as an interim payment before the Attorney General finalises the ex gratia payment? Mr C.C. PORTER replied: I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(3) Will the Attorney General advise the house of the current state of these funds? (4) Why cannot this $100 000 be immediately transferred to the destitute family of the late Mr Ward as an interim payment before the Attorney General finalises the ex gratia payment? Mr C.C. PORTER replied: I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(4) Why cannot this $100 000 be immediately transferred to the destitute family of the late Mr Ward as an interim payment before the Attorney General finalises the ex gratia payment? Mr C.C. PORTER replied: I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER replied: I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
I thank the member for his question. (1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(1) It is the case that the relevant contract for G4S Australia and New Zealand—although the company’s name has changed twice since that time—allowed for a $100 000 penalty, or a fine if the member likes, under the terms of the contract to be levied on the company. I understand that pursuant to my instructions, we have followed through to ensure that that penalty was extracted from the company. Before I go on to answer questions (2), (3) and (4), I make this comment: the previous government established contracts with respect to the private operation of what is known as the CS contracts. Under those contracts, the only penalty that the government can extract from a private contractor, if the private contractor is in part or wholly responsible for a death, is $100 000. That is a stupid contract. It is a terrible term of a contract. That was the contract that the previous — Mr J.R. Quigley : What has happened to the $100 000? You have stolen the next of kin’s blood money. Withdrawal of Remark Mr R.F. JOHNSON : The comments by the member for Mindarie are totally out of order and against standing orders. He has accused the Attorney General of stealing blood money. I ask him to withdraw that comment. The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
The SPEAKER : I do not believe there is a withdrawal of remark because I am taking a particular interpretation of what the member for Mindarie said. I suggest to the member that he might be more temperate in his comments and interjections. Questions without Notice Resumed Mr C.C. PORTER : I continue the answer — (2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(2) The second part of the question asked whether I would confirm that the funds were received on 5 November 2009. I believe they were received on or about that date, but I cannot confirm that exact date. (3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(3) The member asked where the money goes. Again, my understanding, which I cannot confirm with absolute accuracy, is that the money goes into consolidated revenue, pursuant to the terms of the contract. (4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
(4) The crux of the fourth question, and what the member for Mindarie is asking, is why on or about 4 November 2009 we did not take that money and directly transfer it to the widow of Mr Ward and her children. I have informed the member for Mindarie that very shortly—in the next several weeks—I will take to cabinet the Aboriginal Legal Service’s request for an interim ex gratia payment of $200 000. I have every expectation that I will be successful in my recommendation that that be allowed. The Aboriginal Legal Service has told me, as I said in question time yesterday, that the total ex gratia quantum will take a while. No doubt that is why it made the application for the interim amount of $200 000. As I said yesterday, that application to me was not made until 15 January this year, so that $100 000 was not directly transferred across to an interim payment in or about November because the request had not been made at that stage. Of course, it is a shallow and silly way to look at it by saying that money that goes into consolidated revenue is, in many ways, the same as money that comes out for an ex gratia payment. Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Several members interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER : The fundamental point is the hyperbolic ridiculous statement from the member for Mindarie that somehow there has been delay or cold-heartedness on the part of this government. The previous government — Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
The SPEAKER : Member for Albany! Attorney General, please conclude your remarks. Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER : Indeed, the member for Mindarie is saying that we have not delivered fairness and justice. The previous government received warning after warning to replace the vehicle fleet, which would have cost it money. Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr J.R. Quigley interjected. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member for Mindarie’s government failed — The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
The SPEAKER : Member for Mindarie, I would like to give you the opportunity of asking another question, but you are not helping yourself at this moment. I formally call you for the first time. Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
Mr C.C. PORTER : The point is that the member’s government failed to pay a reasonable amount of money to replace the vehicle that directly caused the death of Ms Donegan’s husband. That is a fact that he cannot retreat from, no matter how quickly he wishes to do so. The matter is being dealt with in accordance with the instructions from ALS. It is being dealt with quickly. This is nonsense.
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