A parliamentary question regarding the disparity in TAFE lecturer salaries between Western Australia and New South Wales receives a highly deflective and combative response from the Minister for Education and Training, who avoids directly addressing the salary issue and instead attacks the opposition's interest in education.

AnsweredQoN 738Legislative Assembly
Asked
11 November 2004
Portfolio
Education and Training

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(1) Is the minister satisfied with the disgracefully low salary levels paid to technical and further education lecturers in Western Australia? (2) Specifically, why does he tolerate the fact that in their first year of service, Western Australian TAFE lecturers earn a full $19 000 less than their New South Wales counterparts? Mr A.J. CARPENTER

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(1)-(2) I thank the member for Churchlands for the question. I am disappointed that I never got a question like that from the member for Darling Range. I was hoping for one last fanging from the Opposition before the Parliament ended. I have had such a torrid year being torn apart day after day by those members of the Opposition who are vitally interested in education. I think I have been asked about six questions. What sort of interest does the Opposition have in these sort of issues? None. If only the State’s schoolteachers could come into the Chamber and watch what goes on. Would it not be great to point the finger along the benches and ask how many questions have been asked each day about education? This week there have been none. In the last sitting week before an election I have not been asked a single question about education and training. The Opposition - what a lazy, useless, hopeless, waste of space they represent. I ask the Labor backbenchers to give the House another look at those graphs. Come on, hold them up and show the Opposition what has been going on in the State! The graphs show what has been going in education and training in Western Australia. The SPEAKER: Order! The question asked by the member for Churchlands must be addressed by the minister. I urge him to do so. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I completely reject the adverb “disgracefully inadequate” or whatever it was the member said. Dr E. Constable: I said “disgracefully low”. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I reject that. I want to pay tribute to the member for Stirling. Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
(2) Specifically, why does he tolerate the fact that in their first year of service, Western Australian TAFE lecturers earn a full $19 000 less than their New South Wales counterparts? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(2) I thank the member for Churchlands for the question. I am disappointed that I never got a question like that from the member for Darling Range. I was hoping for one last fanging from the Opposition before the Parliament ended. I have had such a torrid year being torn apart day after day by those members of the Opposition who are vitally interested in education. I think I have been asked about six questions. What sort of interest does the Opposition have in these sort of issues? None. If only the State’s schoolteachers could come into the Chamber and watch what goes on. Would it not be great to point the finger along the benches and ask how many questions have been asked each day about education? This week there have been none. In the last sitting week before an election I have not been asked a single question about education and training. The Opposition - what a lazy, useless, hopeless, waste of space they represent. I ask the Labor backbenchers to give the House another look at those graphs. Come on, hold them up and show the Opposition what has been going on in the State! The graphs show what has been going in education and training in Western Australia. The SPEAKER: Order! The question asked by the member for Churchlands must be addressed by the minister. I urge him to do so. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I completely reject the adverb “disgracefully inadequate” or whatever it was the member said. Dr E. Constable: I said “disgracefully low”. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I reject that. I want to pay tribute to the member for Stirling. Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: (1)-(2) I thank the member for Churchlands for the question. I am disappointed that I never got a question like that from the member for Darling Range. I was hoping for one last fanging from the Opposition before the Parliament ended. I have had such a torrid year being torn apart day after day by those members of the Opposition who are vitally interested in education. I think I have been asked about six questions. What sort of interest does the Opposition have in these sort of issues? None. If only the State’s schoolteachers could come into the Chamber and watch what goes on. Would it not be great to point the finger along the benches and ask how many questions have been asked each day about education? This week there have been none. In the last sitting week before an election I have not been asked a single question about education and training. The Opposition - what a lazy, useless, hopeless, waste of space they represent. I ask the Labor backbenchers to give the House another look at those graphs. Come on, hold them up and show the Opposition what has been going on in the State! The graphs show what has been going in education and training in Western Australia. The SPEAKER: Order! The question asked by the member for Churchlands must be addressed by the minister. I urge him to do so. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I completely reject the adverb “disgracefully inadequate” or whatever it was the member said. Dr E. Constable: I said “disgracefully low”. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I reject that. I want to pay tribute to the member for Stirling. Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
(1)-(2) I thank the member for Churchlands for the question. I am disappointed that I never got a question like that from the member for Darling Range. I was hoping for one last fanging from the Opposition before the Parliament ended. I have had such a torrid year being torn apart day after day by those members of the Opposition who are vitally interested in education. I think I have been asked about six questions. What sort of interest does the Opposition have in these sort of issues? None. If only the State’s schoolteachers could come into the Chamber and watch what goes on. Would it not be great to point the finger along the benches and ask how many questions have been asked each day about education? This week there have been none. In the last sitting week before an election I have not been asked a single question about education and training. The Opposition - what a lazy, useless, hopeless, waste of space they represent. I ask the Labor backbenchers to give the House another look at those graphs. Come on, hold them up and show the Opposition what has been going on in the State! The graphs show what has been going in education and training in Western Australia. The SPEAKER: Order! The question asked by the member for Churchlands must be addressed by the minister. I urge him to do so. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I completely reject the adverb “disgracefully inadequate” or whatever it was the member said. Dr E. Constable: I said “disgracefully low”. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I reject that. I want to pay tribute to the member for Stirling. Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
The SPEAKER: Order! The question asked by the member for Churchlands must be addressed by the minister. I urge him to do so. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I completely reject the adverb “disgracefully inadequate” or whatever it was the member said. Dr E. Constable: I said “disgracefully low”. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I reject that. I want to pay tribute to the member for Stirling. Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I completely reject the adverb “disgracefully inadequate” or whatever it was the member said. Dr E. Constable: I said “disgracefully low”. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I reject that. I want to pay tribute to the member for Stirling. Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
Dr E. Constable: I said “disgracefully low”. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I reject that. I want to pay tribute to the member for Stirling. Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER: I reject that. I want to pay tribute to the member for Stirling. Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
Mr M.W. Trenorden interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Thanks very much, Leader of the National Party. The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
The member for Stirling has made suggestions and through me he has delivered great educational outcomes for the people in his area. I congratulate him on a great parliamentary career. Well done. What a shame that the sort of attitude that the members for Stirling and Ningaloo demonstrate in Parliament does not filter through to the rest of the coalition members. What an embarrassment it is that a member like the member for Stirling is leaving the coalition in the hands of the people who will be running it, although there is a very good member for Wagin sitting on the opposition benches. The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
The answer is no to the first part of the member for Churchlands’s question. What a stupid question. What could possibly have got into the head of the otherwise mild-mannered member for Churchlands that she should make such a shocking, abusive attack on me, the Minister for Education and Training? What is wrong with the member for Churchlands? She has contributed so much to the Parliament! The people of Western Australia are forever telling me how much she has contributed to the Parliament; they say zip, she has contributed nothing. The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
The answer to the member’s question is no; the salary level is not disgraceful. We are in the middle of an EBA. We have an issue with TAFE lecturers in Western Australia. We need to make it a more attractive profession. Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
Mr M.J. Birney interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER: Is the member for Kalgoorlie not the biggest lightweight who ever walked through the doors of the Parliament? Is he not the biggest empty vessel that has ever sat in the Chamber letting the wind blow through him? The wind comes out of every orifice of his body.

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