❓ Question regarding the source of the Minister's quoted cost for new railcars. The Minister's response is evasive, leading to accusations of untruthfulness and a broader discussion about railcar procurement and costs.
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Metropolitan Railways — New Railcars
I refer to the minister’s comments on 24 March this year in this house in response to a grievance from the member for Joondalup, and I quote — Thirty new railcars would cost $330 million. It is difficult to obtain $330 million to invest in rail infrastructure . Who advised the minister or his office that 30 new railcars would cost $330 million? Mr T.R. BUSWELL
I refer to the minister’s comments on 24 March this year in this house in response to a grievance from the member for Joondalup, and I quote — Thirty new railcars would cost $330 million. It is difficult to obtain $330 million to invest in rail infrastructure . Who advised the minister or his office that 30 new railcars would cost $330 million? Mr T.R. BUSWELL
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It was more than likely that the Public Transport Authority advised me. I do not normally get that advice from the Department of Housing! Mrs M.H. Roberts : Are you aware, minister, that your director general said that he did not provide you with that advice? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: It was more than likely that the Public Transport Authority advised me. I do not normally get that advice from the Department of Housing! Mrs M.H. Roberts : Are you aware, minister, that your director general said that he did not provide you with that advice? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
It was more than likely that the Public Transport Authority advised me. I do not normally get that advice from the Department of Housing! Mrs M.H. Roberts : Are you aware, minister, that your director general said that he did not provide you with that advice? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : Are you aware, minister, that your director general said that he did not provide you with that advice? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL replied: It was more than likely that the Public Transport Authority advised me. I do not normally get that advice from the Department of Housing! Mrs M.H. Roberts : Are you aware, minister, that your director general said that he did not provide you with that advice? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
It was more than likely that the Public Transport Authority advised me. I do not normally get that advice from the Department of Housing! Mrs M.H. Roberts : Are you aware, minister, that your director general said that he did not provide you with that advice? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : Are you aware, minister, that your director general said that he did not provide you with that advice? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I said “more than likely”. It may have been information — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA said on record yesterday — The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
The SPEAKER : Member for Midland! Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : It may have been information that had been put into the media by the opposition. I can confirm that for the member. But, this relates back to the broader issue of the member’s argument, which she tried to mount in this house once before, that we are not spending enough to get the railcars — Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : This is about your truthfulness, and you are not telling the truth in this house. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : That is what this is about. The facts of the matter are — Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mrs M.H. Roberts : The managing director of the PTA and your director general yesterday denied providing you with that advice. Therefore, I do not know where you got that figure from. The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
The SPEAKER : Order! Member for Midland, I formally call you to order for the second and third time. Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I say again, as I did in my answer to the member’s attempt at this question last time, that I am flabbergasted that she has suggested that it is a bad outcome for us to deliver 45 railcars to the people of Western Australia for a cost of $160 million. Let me explain to the member again, as I did previously, why that figure is lower than previous amounts that have been given. The reason is that the PTA had provided a business case, which I would effectively say was in two parts. The first part was about the railcars; they are the things with the wheels on them that the people get in. The second piece of advice related to infrastructure and ancillary services that sit in and around the railway line to support those additional railcars. I said to the PTA that we needed to do more work on the second aspect of that business case, the ancillary services. That might be electrical substation upgrades; there is some significant work that has to be done out at Nowergup to get trains on and off the train lines. That business case is almost complete and the estimated cost is a lot less than the original estimate. We have been able to do two things. First, we have delivered 45 railcars at excellent value for money to the taxpayers of Western Australia. Again, I cannot understand why the member criticises us for delivering those cheaply. Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr A.P. O’Gorman : Have you ordered them yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : I met with the company couple of weeks ago and I understand that those details are being finalised. The anticipation is that those railcars will start to be delivered in the second half of 2013. Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr A.J. Waddell : Have you picked a shed to put them in yet? Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Mr T.R. BUSWELL : No, and I have not decided to change the colour of the railcars, either. I think we will stick with a tried and true formula on that one. Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
Secondly, we are currently finalising the business case, which will deliver much better value for money for the taxpayers of Western Australia. I think it is an excellent outcome.
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