Hon Peter Foss questions the Treasurer's exploration of public-private partnerships, drawing comparisons to past Labor criticisms of privatisation and seeking clarification on profit-sharing and philosophical distinctions. The Minister's response is vague, stating policy is still under development.

AnsweredQoN 705Legislative Council
Asked
7 November 2001
Portfolio
minister representing the Treasurer

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The Treasurer stated in a press release of 24 October 2001 that he would be going overseas to investigate new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. He also referred to the construction of roads in New South Wales and Victoria through public-private partnerships. In addition, he mentioned the Norfolk constabulary project, which the United Kingdom financed and built and which it has operated for 35 years. (1) How does this differ from the privatisation of public services and the contracting out of public works that were criticised by the Labor Party when in opposition? (2) In particular, how does it differ from the construction and operation of Acacia Prison and the construction of main roads by contractors? (3) Does the partnership referred to by the Treasurer involve any profit sharing? In particular, does it bear any resemblance to the commercial operations in which the Government became involved and which were criticised by the Royal Commission into Commercial Activities of Government and Other Matters? (4) What is the distinguishing philosophy of such arrangements that makes it acceptable to the Government? Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS

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I thank the member for some notice of this question. (1)-(4) As stated in the press release, the Treasurer is investigating new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
(1) How does this differ from the privatisation of public services and the contracting out of public works that were criticised by the Labor Party when in opposition? (2) In particular, how does it differ from the construction and operation of Acacia Prison and the construction of main roads by contractors? (3) Does the partnership referred to by the Treasurer involve any profit sharing? In particular, does it bear any resemblance to the commercial operations in which the Government became involved and which were criticised by the Royal Commission into Commercial Activities of Government and Other Matters? (4) What is the distinguishing philosophy of such arrangements that makes it acceptable to the Government? Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS replied: I thank the member for some notice of this question. (1)-(4) As stated in the press release, the Treasurer is investigating new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
(2) In particular, how does it differ from the construction and operation of Acacia Prison and the construction of main roads by contractors? (3) Does the partnership referred to by the Treasurer involve any profit sharing? In particular, does it bear any resemblance to the commercial operations in which the Government became involved and which were criticised by the Royal Commission into Commercial Activities of Government and Other Matters? (4) What is the distinguishing philosophy of such arrangements that makes it acceptable to the Government? Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS replied: I thank the member for some notice of this question. (1)-(4) As stated in the press release, the Treasurer is investigating new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
(3) Does the partnership referred to by the Treasurer involve any profit sharing? In particular, does it bear any resemblance to the commercial operations in which the Government became involved and which were criticised by the Royal Commission into Commercial Activities of Government and Other Matters? (4) What is the distinguishing philosophy of such arrangements that makes it acceptable to the Government? Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS replied: I thank the member for some notice of this question. (1)-(4) As stated in the press release, the Treasurer is investigating new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
(4) What is the distinguishing philosophy of such arrangements that makes it acceptable to the Government? Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS replied: I thank the member for some notice of this question. (1)-(4) As stated in the press release, the Treasurer is investigating new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS replied: I thank the member for some notice of this question. (1)-(4) As stated in the press release, the Treasurer is investigating new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
I thank the member for some notice of this question. (1)-(4) As stated in the press release, the Treasurer is investigating new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
(1)-(4) As stated in the press release, the Treasurer is investigating new ways of involving the private sector in the financing and delivery of public services. Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
Hon Peter Foss: That was stated in the question. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I do not think the member wants to listen to the answer, but I will persist. The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
The PRESIDENT: I do, minister. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I will continue, Mr President. Policy development is in its early stages and is yet to be fully considered by the Government. However, the policy will not compromise the Government’s election promise that contracting out will take place only if it is in the public interest, when all factors are taken into account. Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
Hon Peter Foss: In other words, you will deal with it when you want to. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: I still think that the member does not want to listen to the answer, but I will continue. I know that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich wants to listen to the answer. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich: Absolutely. Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.
Hon N.D. GRIFFITHS: The Treasurer stated that public-private partnerships, such as those undertaken in the United Kingdom, are concerned with the private sector assisting in the financing and maintenance of infrastructure. However, the provision of the teaching, transport and health services delivered from this infrastructure remains squarely in the public sector. When the Government determines its policy position, it will release it for public comment.

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