❓ A parliamentary question regarding police officer pay compared to transit guards, and the Minister's response defending the government's pay offer and criticising the previous government's record on police support.
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I refer the minister to her Government’s refusal to grant police officers a justifiable pay rise over three years and her incorrect assertion in this House yesterday that Western Australian police officers are among the highest paid in Australia. (1) Is the minister aware that first-year transit guards, who undergo only 11 weeks training, are paid approximately $3 000 a year more than a Western Australian police constable, who is required to undertake six months training? (2) Does the minister consider it appropriate that transit guards, who work fewer hours per week, receive less training and carry fewer responsibilities, are paid more than many of our hardworking police officers? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS
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(1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
(1) Is the minister aware that first-year transit guards, who undergo only 11 weeks training, are paid approximately $3 000 a year more than a Western Australian police constable, who is required to undertake six months training? (2) Does the minister consider it appropriate that transit guards, who work fewer hours per week, receive less training and carry fewer responsibilities, are paid more than many of our hardworking police officers? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS replied: (1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
(2) Does the minister consider it appropriate that transit guards, who work fewer hours per week, receive less training and carry fewer responsibilities, are paid more than many of our hardworking police officers? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS replied: (1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS replied: (1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
(1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
(1) Is the minister aware that first-year transit guards, who undergo only 11 weeks training, are paid approximately $3 000 a year more than a Western Australian police constable, who is required to undertake six months training? (2) Does the minister consider it appropriate that transit guards, who work fewer hours per week, receive less training and carry fewer responsibilities, are paid more than many of our hardworking police officers? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS replied: (1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
(2) Does the minister consider it appropriate that transit guards, who work fewer hours per week, receive less training and carry fewer responsibilities, are paid more than many of our hardworking police officers? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS replied: (1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS replied: (1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
(1)-(2) Unfortunately, the deception started at the beginning of the member’s question. If he cares to read what I said yesterday, he will find that I did not say that they were among the highest paid in Australia. I corrected the member’s assertion. Yesterday the member said that they were the lowest paid in Australia. I said that they are certainly not the lowest paid in Australia, and we need only look at South Australia to see an example of police officers who have lower wages across the board. I said that with the three per cent offer - an offer of some $70 million in additional revenue - on a lot of scales from first-year constables and second-year constables up to senior constables, sergeants, inspectors, superintendents and so forth, we compare more than favourably with most of the other States. New South Wales clearly leads in its payment to police officers, but New South Wales is clearly a far more expensive place in which to live. The wages that we have put on offer compare more than favourably with those in States such as Queensland and Victoria. When comparisons are made between transit guards and first-year constables, people fail to take into account overtime and other allowances that are paid to police officers, which I assume are not available to transit guards. The comparison is always made between the base rates. Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
Mr M.J. Birney: What about the hourly rates? Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
Mrs M.H. ROBERTS: People need to compare apples with apples. I am not overly familiar with the pay scales of the transit guards. The member has raised the issue and I will look at the comparisons. However, I do know that our police officers are reasonably well paid. We have made them a reasonably fair offer that will place them among the average paid police officers Australia-wide. I did not claim yesterday that they were the highest paid in Australia, or anything like it. It is a nonsense for the member to suggest that. The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
The negotiations are under way. The Government is negotiating in good faith. It has supported police officers more than did members opposite when they were in government. As I told the House yesterday, the former Government promised occupational health and safety coverage. It kept saying next year, next year and next year, but when we came to government there was no draft legislation and no money in the budget. The former Government said that it would enact legislation on DNA, but it did not. Every other State had done it by the time we came to government except Western Australia because the former Government could not get its act together with the federal Government, which was formed from the same parties. More than that, the former Government did not even put the money into the budget. It had $1 million in the budget for DNA - a token amount to pretend that it would do something. This Government has put $20 million into the budget.
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