❓ Question regarding the allocation of funds for a new children's hospital in Nedlands, specifically addressing concerns about the timing and number of beds. The Minister defends the bed number compared to previous government plans, leading to heated interjections and Speaker interventions.
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CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL — NEDLANDS
I was personally very pleased with the announcement on Sunday by the Premier and the minister about the immediate allocation of $23 million to commence planning for the new children’s hospital in my electorate of Nedlands. There was, however, some negativity expressed about the timing and the number of beds involved. Can the minister please clarify those matters for me and the house? Dr K.D. HAMES
I was personally very pleased with the announcement on Sunday by the Premier and the minister about the immediate allocation of $23 million to commence planning for the new children’s hospital in my electorate of Nedlands. There was, however, some negativity expressed about the timing and the number of beds involved. Can the minister please clarify those matters for me and the house? Dr K.D. HAMES
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I thank the member for the question. He obviously has a deep interest because these hospitals are in his electorate. I have to admit that I was very surprised by the response of the opposition spokesperson on health to the number of beds that are being placed in the new children’s hospital—247 tertiary beds—and his criticism of that number. What the member for Kwinana needs to understand is that although his predecessor and I had rigorous debate over the years and conflicted on many issues, we did work together on the future direction of hospital services in this state excluding, of course, Royal Perth Hospital. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: I thank the member for the question. He obviously has a deep interest because these hospitals are in his electorate. I have to admit that I was very surprised by the response of the opposition spokesperson on health to the number of beds that are being placed in the new children’s hospital—247 tertiary beds—and his criticism of that number. What the member for Kwinana needs to understand is that although his predecessor and I had rigorous debate over the years and conflicted on many issues, we did work together on the future direction of hospital services in this state excluding, of course, Royal Perth Hospital. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
I thank the member for the question. He obviously has a deep interest because these hospitals are in his electorate. I have to admit that I was very surprised by the response of the opposition spokesperson on health to the number of beds that are being placed in the new children’s hospital—247 tertiary beds—and his criticism of that number. What the member for Kwinana needs to understand is that although his predecessor and I had rigorous debate over the years and conflicted on many issues, we did work together on the future direction of hospital services in this state excluding, of course, Royal Perth Hospital. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
I have to admit that I was very surprised by the response of the opposition spokesperson on health to the number of beds that are being placed in the new children’s hospital—247 tertiary beds—and his criticism of that number. What the member for Kwinana needs to understand is that although his predecessor and I had rigorous debate over the years and conflicted on many issues, we did work together on the future direction of hospital services in this state excluding, of course, Royal Perth Hospital. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: I thank the member for the question. He obviously has a deep interest because these hospitals are in his electorate. I have to admit that I was very surprised by the response of the opposition spokesperson on health to the number of beds that are being placed in the new children’s hospital—247 tertiary beds—and his criticism of that number. What the member for Kwinana needs to understand is that although his predecessor and I had rigorous debate over the years and conflicted on many issues, we did work together on the future direction of hospital services in this state excluding, of course, Royal Perth Hospital. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
I thank the member for the question. He obviously has a deep interest because these hospitals are in his electorate. I have to admit that I was very surprised by the response of the opposition spokesperson on health to the number of beds that are being placed in the new children’s hospital—247 tertiary beds—and his criticism of that number. What the member for Kwinana needs to understand is that although his predecessor and I had rigorous debate over the years and conflicted on many issues, we did work together on the future direction of hospital services in this state excluding, of course, Royal Perth Hospital. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
I have to admit that I was very surprised by the response of the opposition spokesperson on health to the number of beds that are being placed in the new children’s hospital—247 tertiary beds—and his criticism of that number. What the member for Kwinana needs to understand is that although his predecessor and I had rigorous debate over the years and conflicted on many issues, we did work together on the future direction of hospital services in this state excluding, of course, Royal Perth Hospital. Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana! Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : What I did — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : In working with the former — Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I formally call you for the second time. I am endeavouring to listen to the answer to this question. Other members might also be trying to hear the answer. Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I will have another go. In working with the former Minister for Health, I gave credit to him and one of the opposition’s backbenchers—in fact, the previous government—for working together on the Reid review, for the quality of the Reid review and for the recommendations that it contained. Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook : What did it say about Fiona Stanley Hospital? Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : The review recommended that there be 150 beds at the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children site. They were multiday beds; they were not all beds, but the number is certainly significantly less than what has been proposed by the government. The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The next document put out by the former government, supported by the former Minister for Health, was a different figure for beds at Princess Margaret Hospital—it was 178 beds. The clinical services framework, put out by the former government just five years ago, wanted 178 beds at Princess Margaret Hospital. What are we doing? We have proposed nearly 70 beds more than the former government agreed to. The opposition has the cheek to get up and say that is not enough. The member for Kwinana needs to do some more homework. He is so wet behind the ears that he does not know that to get proper development of health in this state we need to have a proper future plan of what we need for health. Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr R.H. Cook : Do not tell us there is consensus around this. There is not consensus around this. The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Kwinana, I am formally going to call you for the third time. I do not want to call you again in this place. I hope you understand that. I also formally call the members for Cannington and Albany, while I am on my feet. Point of Order Mr M.P. WHITELY : I just want clarification. What capacity is there for a member to respond when a minister is referring to their performance? That is clearly what the member for Kwinana has been doing. He has been goaded by the Minister for Health in a question that was not even asked by him and he is responding appropriately. What capacity does he have to actually interject? The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Members, there is no point of order at all. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : There is a critical importance in — Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr W.J. Johnston : This man is a coward! Withdrawal of Remark The SPEAKER : Member for Cannington, I suggest you withdraw that remark. I formally call you for the second time. Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr W.J. JOHNSTON : I withdraw. Questions without Notice Resumed Dr K.D. HAMES : What is important in developing a future — Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Ms M.M. Quirk interjected. The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : Member for Girrawheen, I formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : They obviously do not like it. It is important to develop a proper — Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Mr A.P. O’Gorman interjected. The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : You all want to join in the game. Member for Joondalup, likewise, I will formally call you for the first time. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : It is really important for the future development of health in this state that we try to get an outline plan to work on together that we all support. The former government did that. It commissioned the Reid review. Except for the issue of Royal Perth Hospital, we in opposition strongly supported the review and we continue to support it. We are implementing it. We are putting in 90 more children’s beds in this state in that forward estimate plan. That is 90 more beds than what was in the former government’s 2005 clinical services framework. We recognised the importance of the growing demand on hospitals, but the critical recommendations of the Reid review were that we move away from having all our eggs in central tertiary hospitals and move out to peripheral hospitals. Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Several members interjected. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
Dr K.D. HAMES : It is critically important to expand our number of children’s beds in peripheral hospitals—namely in the member for Kwinana’s electorate, in the member for Joondalup’s electorate, in the member for Midland’s electorate and in the member for Rockingham’s electorate—to make sure we have got those beds out there. At the end of the day we need additional beds at our central children’s hospital. We will make sure that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children is a state-of-the-art hospital that fully caters for the future needs of children in this state. I think it is time that the opposition started looking at developing, together with government, a plan for the future to run things in this state. Point of Order MR W.J. JOHNSTON : It is an obligation in this chamber for ministers to answer the question and address the Chair. The minister was clearly not doing that. The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
The SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Members, that concludes question time.
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