❓ Question regarding child deaths known to the Department for Child Protection. The Minister disputes the figures and accuses the opposition of using the issue for political gain, highlighting deaths during the opposition's time in government.
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CHILD DEATHS
In Saturday’s The West Australian Hon Sue Ellery was reported as saying that 35 children under the age of two years who have died in the state in the past two years were known to the Department for Child Protection. What is the minister’s response to this claim? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY
In Saturday’s The West Australian Hon Sue Ellery was reported as saying that 35 children under the age of two years who have died in the state in the past two years were known to the Department for Child Protection. What is the minister’s response to this claim? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY
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I thank the honourable member for the question. Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
I thank the honourable member for the question. Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY replied: I thank the honourable member for the question. Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
I thank the honourable member for the question. Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The opposition will stoop at nothing to get a cheap headline—an absolutely cheap headline! Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! I ask the minister to resume her seat. We got off to a bad start there. The minister needs to answer the question, and the opposition needs to give her the chance to answer that question without interruption. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The death of any child in this state is an absolute tragedy. Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Indeed. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : The deaths of children with scabies all over them were very, very tragic. This opposition is using parents’ grief and untruths and it shows a lack of respect for the deaths of children in this state — Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Members, let the answer come from the minister without interjection. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery said in The West Australian that 35 deaths of children under two years of age occurred. This is untrue. In fact, there were eight tragic deaths, and most of those deaths were from sudden infant death syndrome and co-sleeping. In fact, in Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were 39 tragic deaths of children under two—54 per cent. Hon Sue Ellery said that more than half the 192 children who died were known to the department. The number of children is 96, but this is where the dishonesty comes in. Of those 96 children, 71 died in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. They died in Labor’s time in government because — Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Do you want to check the Ombudsman’s answer in Hansard in the Legislative Assembly? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked the Ombudsman’s report. Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : No; check what he said in the Assembly. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. Hon Sue Ellery should listen to me! This is what the Ombudsman’s report said, and I will table it for her. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Leader of the Opposition, order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : There were 73 cases transferred to the Ombudsman from the Child Death Review Committee, which previously undertook some of the functions now carried out by the Ombudsman. These 73 transferred cases relate to child deaths prior to 30 June 2009, but were reviewable by the committee. Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Correct; no dispute. Check what he said at the Assembly estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, I have checked that. Hon Sue Ellery should just listen to me! In 2008 — Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : After I came in as minister in September 2008 there were two child deaths. One was, unfortunately, on 8 November 2008. The other one on 31 December 2008 was of a young fellow who tragically committed suicide. No more child deaths are registered until 19 June 2009. There have been 32 extremely tragic child deaths during my time as minister up until 22 March 2011. Children have died from suicide, SIDS, co-sleeping, congenital medical problems, bacterial meningitis, drowning, house fires, acquired illness, and some were passengers in cars. There were 32 children — Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Known to the department. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Yes, all known to the department, but in my time. In Hon Sue Ellery’s time there were over 450. In Labor’s time it was absolutely tragic. I am not standing in this place talking about the 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 kids mentioned every time the Child Death Review Committee’s report comes out, which occurred in Hon Sue Ellery’s time in government. I will be responsible for the children who have died while I am minister. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : We put this report in the Ombudsman’s office because of the abject failure of Hon Sue Ellery’s government to provide — Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : It was in the Ford report, which we accepted. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No, it was Denzil McCotter who said that the minister did not have the resources. Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Yes, it was a recommendation. Your facts are wrong again. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : No. The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The Leader of the Opposition has to give the minister the opportunity to answer the question. We know in this place that members do not have to like the answer and they do not have to agree with the answer, but they do have to listen to it. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : My facts are correct from the Ombudsman’s report. The child deaths were on Hon Sue Ellery’s watch. I will take responsibility for the 32 — Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Read what he said in estimates. Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : You look at the Ombudsman’s report. If you have not looked at it, it means you have been lazy and slovenly. Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : I have looked at it! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : If Hon Sue Ellery has, why is she telling an untruth? She should tell the truth about these children’s deaths. I will take responsibility for the 32 children. Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Other members want to ask some questions. We are not going to have much time left in question time if just two members are having a slanging match! Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : I apologise. Point of Order Hon SUE ELLERY : I think the minister might have just apologised, but — Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Robyn McSweeney : No, not to you! Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon SUE ELLERY : — she can withdraw the remark about me being slovenly. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
The PRESIDENT : Order! I was listening carefully to the minister’s answer and she did not personally say that Hon Sue Ellery was slovenly. She said that her research was lazy and slovenly. I think there is a marked difference in the use of the term. There is no point of order. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Thank you, Mr President. I would never call anybody personally slovenly, but Hon Sue Ellery’s research methods were slovenly. That is not her personally; that is not her persona; but the research that she did not do shows that very clearly. Next time, she should read the reports before she comes out and says that this department — Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : Has the Premier had a little chat with you this afternoon? Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon ROBYN McSWEENEY : Hon Sue Ellery should apologise to all those parents in Western Australia who have lost children from SIDS and from car accidents, and to those who had scabies all over them in her time. Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
Hon Sue Ellery : The death of any child is a tragedy. Everybody agrees that is a tragedy.
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