❓ Mr. Ripper questions Dr. Hames about the legality of using special purpose funds, citing the Under Treasurer's alleged concerns. Dr. Hames defends the action, stating the funds were repaid with interest and denies any illegality.
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METROPOLITAN HEALTH SERVICE — SPECIAL PURPOSE FUNDS
I ask a supplementary question. Minister, if it is all okay, why did the Under Treasurer say publicly today that the action was wrong and pretty much against the law? Dr K.D. HAMES
I ask a supplementary question. Minister, if it is all okay, why did the Under Treasurer say publicly today that the action was wrong and pretty much against the law? Dr K.D. HAMES
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I rang Tim Marney, because I was advised that he had made comments along the lines that it was illegal. He said that he did not say that. He said that he agreed with the Auditor General — Mr E.S. Ripper : Pretty much against the law is what he said. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: I rang Tim Marney, because I was advised that he had made comments along the lines that it was illegal. He said that he did not say that. He said that he agreed with the Auditor General — Mr E.S. Ripper : Pretty much against the law is what he said. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
I rang Tim Marney, because I was advised that he had made comments along the lines that it was illegal. He said that he did not say that. He said that he agreed with the Auditor General — Mr E.S. Ripper : Pretty much against the law is what he said. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Pretty much against the law is what he said. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: I rang Tim Marney, because I was advised that he had made comments along the lines that it was illegal. He said that he did not say that. He said that he agreed with the Auditor General — Mr E.S. Ripper : Pretty much against the law is what he said. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
I rang Tim Marney, because I was advised that he had made comments along the lines that it was illegal. He said that he did not say that. He said that he agreed with the Auditor General — Mr E.S. Ripper : Pretty much against the law is what he said. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Pretty much against the law is what he said. Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES : It is not against the law, otherwise the Auditor General would have said that it was against the law. He said it was not illegal. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
The SPEAKER : Order, members! Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I am willing to take the rap over the knuckles. However, as members will see, I do not feel devastated by the concept. I feel good about paying the bills. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You are a cowboy! You do not care about financial management! Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES : Every dollar of that money was paid back, with the interest that it would have accrued, three weeks later. Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Mr E.S. Ripper : You are worse than the Leader of the National Party! The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
The SPEAKER : Order, Leader of the Opposition! Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
Dr K.D. HAMES : The money was always going to be paid back. It was always going to be paid back on this day. Remember, those reports came out a long time after we had already paid the money back. Someone put it to me that we took it out of one pocket and put it in the other. The reality is that we paid our bills, and I am happy that we were able to do that.
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