❓ A parliamentary question regarding the Minister for Education and Training's handling of abuse allegations and the Premier's confidence in her, focusing on the perceived inaction and initial responses to the issue.
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MINISTER FOR EDUCATION AND TRAINING - CORRUPTION AND CRIME COMMISSION REPORT
I refer to the Premier’s comments this morning, on the Corruption and Crime Commission report tabled yesterday, that he accepted that responsibility lies with the Minister for Education and Training and if she had not taken the course of action that she had since last week, he would not have confidence in her. (1) Given that in response to questions from the opposition in March of this year, the minister refused to ensure that abuse allegations would be referred to the police, how can the Premier be satisfied that the minister did all she could? (2) Given that the minister did nothing to address these same issues when they were raised by the opposition more than a year ago, can the Premier explain why he still has confidence in her? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
I refer to the Premier’s comments this morning, on the Corruption and Crime Commission report tabled yesterday, that he accepted that responsibility lies with the Minister for Education and Training and if she had not taken the course of action that she had since last week, he would not have confidence in her. (1) Given that in response to questions from the opposition in March of this year, the minister refused to ensure that abuse allegations would be referred to the police, how can the Premier be satisfied that the minister did all she could? (2) Given that the minister did nothing to address these same issues when they were raised by the opposition more than a year ago, can the Premier explain why he still has confidence in her? Mr A.J. CARPENTER
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I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
(1) Given that in response to questions from the opposition in March of this year, the minister refused to ensure that abuse allegations would be referred to the police, how can the Premier be satisfied that the minister did all she could? (2) Given that the minister did nothing to address these same issues when they were raised by the opposition more than a year ago, can the Premier explain why he still has confidence in her? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
(2) Given that the minister did nothing to address these same issues when they were raised by the opposition more than a year ago, can the Premier explain why he still has confidence in her? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
(1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
(1) Given that in response to questions from the opposition in March of this year, the minister refused to ensure that abuse allegations would be referred to the police, how can the Premier be satisfied that the minister did all she could? (2) Given that the minister did nothing to address these same issues when they were raised by the opposition more than a year ago, can the Premier explain why he still has confidence in her? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
(2) Given that the minister did nothing to address these same issues when they were raised by the opposition more than a year ago, can the Premier explain why he still has confidence in her? Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER replied: I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
I thank the member for Darling Range for the question. (1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
(1)-(2) There is an incorrect assertion in the first question. What did the member ask in his first question? I have read the answer to the question. The minister said that the allegations should be dealt with in the appropriate way. Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr T. Buswell : Rubbish. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the member saying they should not be? Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr T. Buswell : You want to read the whole answer. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I have; I read it this afternoon. The minister was asked a question in general terms which evoked a response that something like 16 cases were being looked at and she expected them to be dealt with in the appropriate way through departmental channels. Of course that is what we would expect. We would not expect anything else. What we have seen is that “anything else” has actually happened. These cases were not dealt with sufficiently strenuously enough. In one of the five cases that was the subject of immediate police attention and that resulted in a charge and conviction, the person who was charged and convicted was allowed to continue teaching. That is totally inappropriate. No education system should allow something like that to happen. Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr C.J. Barnett interjected. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Exactly. Did the member allow that when he was the minister? I think I have answered that question. Of course the minister expects the cases to be dealt with appropriately. When it came to her attention that, for example, a teacher had been charged and convicted of indecently dealing with a 12-year-old girl and had been allowed to continue to teach, her reaction was one of great anger that such a thing should be allowed to happen. The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
The minister received the report on Friday and we have seen her bring back the director general from Europe. She addressed the issues immediately. I had discussions with Mr Albert last night. As Premier, I am his employer. At my meeting with Mr Albert last night, the subsequent decision by both of us was that he should step down. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
The SPEAKER : Order! I call the Deputy Leader of the Opposition and the member for Capel to order. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : Is the opposition suggesting that Mr Albert should have been allowed to remain in his position? Did the opposition say yes? Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr T. Buswell : We want to know why the minister took no action from last November. Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
Mr A.J. CARPENTER : I asked the question rhetorically and the initial response was yes. Is that correct? Does the opposition believe that Mr Albert should have been allowed to stay in his position? When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
When the minister became aware of the highly unsatisfactory situation, she took the appropriate action.
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