❓ WA Minister for Education vehemently opposes a potential Commonwealth takeover of Western Australian universities, citing concerns about federal bureaucracy and a lack of focus on WA's specific needs. Heated debate ensues with another MP.
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COMMONWEALTH TAKEOVER OF UNIVERSITIES
Can the minister confirm that the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Hon Julie Bishop, has called for a commonwealth takeover of universities from the states? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH
Can the minister confirm that the federal Minister for Education, Science and Training, Hon Julie Bishop, has called for a commonwealth takeover of universities from the states? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH
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I thank my parliamentary colleague Hon Graham Giffard for such a thought-provoking question. Hon Kim Chance : He does ask very good questions. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank my parliamentary colleague Hon Graham Giffard for such a thought-provoking question. Hon Kim Chance : He does ask very good questions. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
I thank my parliamentary colleague Hon Graham Giffard for such a thought-provoking question. Hon Kim Chance : He does ask very good questions. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Kim Chance : He does ask very good questions. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH replied: I thank my parliamentary colleague Hon Graham Giffard for such a thought-provoking question. Hon Kim Chance : He does ask very good questions. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
I thank my parliamentary colleague Hon Graham Giffard for such a thought-provoking question. Hon Kim Chance : He does ask very good questions. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Kim Chance : He does ask very good questions. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : He always asks very good questions. I was shocked to learn about the federal minister’s plan because having taken over just about everything else, why would the commonwealth need to take over the universities? My federal counterpart has been quoted in The Age as saying that she wants federal Parliament to have statutory control of the nation’s 39 universities. I could not think of anything more horrific. I have one message for Julie Bishop - that is, over my dead body! Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : That could be made possible. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : That may well be a fantastic incentive for anybody - I grant members that! Our five Western Australian universities are best served by the very close relationship they have with this Parliament. Can members imagine federal Parliament taking the time to finetune legislation for one of our five universities, or to assist one of our universities with significant financial arrangements, which is what this government has done for Edith Cowan University? Can members imagine the bureaucrats in Canberra taking time out to liaise with our university administrators - even for a minute? I have a Western Australian Higher Education Council meeting tomorrow. I meet with the representatives of the universities on a regular basis. Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : I bet they can’t wait. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am pretty confident their message will be the same as mine, although they may not put their bodies on the line. However, they will be very much opposed to Canberra and the federal minister Julie Bishop wanting to take them over. Can members imagine for a moment Canberra placing the same emphasis on our universities as it does on the other 34 eastern states universities? Frankly, I cannot entertain the idea, because nothing I have seen in the time that I have been a member of this Parliament gives me any degree of comfort or confidence - A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
A member interjected. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : She might be Western Australian, but so far she has not shown much interest in Western Australia. The red tape choking our universities comes from Canberra; it does not come from WA. The only thing that this Parliament asks of our universities is annual reports. They have a statutory obligation to provide them and they are happy to do so. It is very different - Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : How much money do you give them? Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : The other states give their universities two to three per cent; from memory, we put in eight per cent. Does the honourable member want to give them a loan? Does Hon Norman Moore want the federal government to have statutory responsibility for tertiary institutions in Western Australia? He should put his answer on record. Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : No - N-O - a big no, but - Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No buts; the honourable member cannot have a halfway house. He cannot stand for yes and no. Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : Tell me what your federal colleagues want to do, and who wanted to take over universities under the name of Gough Whitlam? Come on, let us get a bit of history into this, because you do not know what you are talking about. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : I am telling the member what my position is as the Minister for Education and Training. Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon Norman Moore : What you are saying is totally contrary to your federal colleagues, and you know it. Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
Hon LJILJANNA RAVLICH : No. I am the Minister for Education and Training, and I will operate in the best interests of Western Australia, Western Australian students, Western Australian businesses and the Western Australian economy. I could not think of anything more horrific than our universities being operated by remote control from Canberra - over my dead body! The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
The PRESIDENT : Members, I am conscious of the number of matters that the house needs to deal with today, and some members have not had an opportunity to ask questions yet.
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