❓ Mr. Jacob asks about the impact of retaining Royal Perth Hospital on Joondalup Health Campus becoming a tertiary hospital. Dr. Hames responds by defending the government's plan, highlighting increased bed numbers at Joondalup and arguing that tertiary status would disadvantage local residents.
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JOONDALUP HEALTH CAMPUS — ROYAL PERTH HOSPITAL RETENTION
Last week in the Joondalup–Wanneroo Times Labor members of Parliament were quoted as claiming to be concerned that the planned retention of Royal Perth Hospital would stop Joondalup Health Campus from becoming a tertiary hospital. Can the minister please advise this house whether that is true? Dr K.D. HAMES
Last week in the Joondalup–Wanneroo Times Labor members of Parliament were quoted as claiming to be concerned that the planned retention of Royal Perth Hospital would stop Joondalup Health Campus from becoming a tertiary hospital. Can the minister please advise this house whether that is true? Dr K.D. HAMES
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I can understand the member’s concern about seeing two Labor members trying to parade their federal member around to give him coverage, making it look as though they were concerned about what was happening in Joondalup. They made quite unreasonable claims about the process, relating to both the retention of Royal Perth Hospital and what is happening at Joondalup hospital, and referred to some suggestion that the Reid review proposed that Joondalup be a tertiary hospital. I remind the member for Kwinana what the report says in case he has not read it. I know that the member for West Swan was involved in the construction of this report. Firstly, it said that there should be only one tertiary hospital for the North Metropolitan Health Service, and that was Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital – Royal Perth; and, secondly, over the next 10 years—this report was done in 2004, so it is up to 2014—Joondalup Health Campus should be expanded to an approximately 300-bed general hospital. I have to clarify that that is multiday beds, not total beds, but still, the Reid review proposal amounted to 300 beds. In case the member for Kwinana does not know, we are expanding Joondalup hospital to 471 beds, well in excess of the 300 beds that have been proposed. That means that 471 beds are going into Joondalup hospital as part of this government’s commitment to the northern suburbs. Does the retention of Royal Perth’s 400 beds as a tertiary hospital make a difference to what was going to happen under the previous government’s proposal? What did the previous government’s “Clinical Services Framework 2005–2015” have in it for tertiary beds in the northern suburbs, and where were they? The answer is 1 000 beds based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. The previous government proposed to have 1 000 tertiary beds all based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. We care for the eastern corridor so we split it and had 600-odd beds at Charlies and 400-odd beds at Royal Perth, the same total number of tertiary beds as the previous government was proposing. Does retaining those 400 beds at Royal Perth rather than having them at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital make a difference to tertiary beds in the northern suburbs? No, it does not. We are focusing on getting the secondary beds into the northern suburbs—471 beds as proposed in the Reid review, made up of 300 beds plus additional same-day beds. What would be the differences for Joondalup Health Campus if it were a tertiary hospital or a large secondary hospital? There can be three things. It can be research facilities, which Joondalup is getting anyway. It can be training for students, which Joondalup is getting anyway. What is the third and key difference? It is whether Joondalup is a state referral centre. The tertiary hospitals—Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gairdner and Fremantle—take patients from all over the state. If someone at Paraburdoo needs a heart transplant, he or she would go to one of the tertiary hospitals. If Joondalup were a tertiary hospital, would the locals be any better off? Would they get a better service? No! They would have to compete with people from every other part of the state for those beds. They would be fighting for those beds with people from Paraburdoo and the rest of the state because Joondalup would become a state referral centre. Does retaining Joondalup hospital as a secondary hospital mean better services for the people of the northern suburbs? Yes, it does.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: I can understand the member’s concern about seeing two Labor members trying to parade their federal member around to give him coverage, making it look as though they were concerned about what was happening in Joondalup. They made quite unreasonable claims about the process, relating to both the retention of Royal Perth Hospital and what is happening at Joondalup hospital, and referred to some suggestion that the Reid review proposed that Joondalup be a tertiary hospital. I remind the member for Kwinana what the report says in case he has not read it. I know that the member for West Swan was involved in the construction of this report. Firstly, it said that there should be only one tertiary hospital for the North Metropolitan Health Service, and that was Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital – Royal Perth; and, secondly, over the next 10 years—this report was done in 2004, so it is up to 2014—Joondalup Health Campus should be expanded to an approximately 300-bed general hospital. I have to clarify that that is multiday beds, not total beds, but still, the Reid review proposal amounted to 300 beds. In case the member for Kwinana does not know, we are expanding Joondalup hospital to 471 beds, well in excess of the 300 beds that have been proposed. That means that 471 beds are going into Joondalup hospital as part of this government’s commitment to the northern suburbs. Does the retention of Royal Perth’s 400 beds as a tertiary hospital make a difference to what was going to happen under the previous government’s proposal? What did the previous government’s “Clinical Services Framework 2005–2015” have in it for tertiary beds in the northern suburbs, and where were they? The answer is 1 000 beds based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. The previous government proposed to have 1 000 tertiary beds all based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. We care for the eastern corridor so we split it and had 600-odd beds at Charlies and 400-odd beds at Royal Perth, the same total number of tertiary beds as the previous government was proposing. Does retaining those 400 beds at Royal Perth rather than having them at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital make a difference to tertiary beds in the northern suburbs? No, it does not. We are focusing on getting the secondary beds into the northern suburbs—471 beds as proposed in the Reid review, made up of 300 beds plus additional same-day beds. What would be the differences for Joondalup Health Campus if it were a tertiary hospital or a large secondary hospital? There can be three things. It can be research facilities, which Joondalup is getting anyway. It can be training for students, which Joondalup is getting anyway. What is the third and key difference? It is whether Joondalup is a state referral centre. The tertiary hospitals—Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gairdner and Fremantle—take patients from all over the state. If someone at Paraburdoo needs a heart transplant, he or she would go to one of the tertiary hospitals. If Joondalup were a tertiary hospital, would the locals be any better off? Would they get a better service? No! They would have to compete with people from every other part of the state for those beds. They would be fighting for those beds with people from Paraburdoo and the rest of the state because Joondalup would become a state referral centre. Does retaining Joondalup hospital as a secondary hospital mean better services for the people of the northern suburbs? Yes, it does.
I can understand the member’s concern about seeing two Labor members trying to parade their federal member around to give him coverage, making it look as though they were concerned about what was happening in Joondalup. They made quite unreasonable claims about the process, relating to both the retention of Royal Perth Hospital and what is happening at Joondalup hospital, and referred to some suggestion that the Reid review proposed that Joondalup be a tertiary hospital. I remind the member for Kwinana what the report says in case he has not read it. I know that the member for West Swan was involved in the construction of this report. Firstly, it said that there should be only one tertiary hospital for the North Metropolitan Health Service, and that was Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital – Royal Perth; and, secondly, over the next 10 years—this report was done in 2004, so it is up to 2014—Joondalup Health Campus should be expanded to an approximately 300-bed general hospital. I have to clarify that that is multiday beds, not total beds, but still, the Reid review proposal amounted to 300 beds. In case the member for Kwinana does not know, we are expanding Joondalup hospital to 471 beds, well in excess of the 300 beds that have been proposed. That means that 471 beds are going into Joondalup hospital as part of this government’s commitment to the northern suburbs. Does the retention of Royal Perth’s 400 beds as a tertiary hospital make a difference to what was going to happen under the previous government’s proposal? What did the previous government’s “Clinical Services Framework 2005–2015” have in it for tertiary beds in the northern suburbs, and where were they? The answer is 1 000 beds based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. The previous government proposed to have 1 000 tertiary beds all based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. We care for the eastern corridor so we split it and had 600-odd beds at Charlies and 400-odd beds at Royal Perth, the same total number of tertiary beds as the previous government was proposing. Does retaining those 400 beds at Royal Perth rather than having them at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital make a difference to tertiary beds in the northern suburbs? No, it does not. We are focusing on getting the secondary beds into the northern suburbs—471 beds as proposed in the Reid review, made up of 300 beds plus additional same-day beds. What would be the differences for Joondalup Health Campus if it were a tertiary hospital or a large secondary hospital? There can be three things. It can be research facilities, which Joondalup is getting anyway. It can be training for students, which Joondalup is getting anyway. What is the third and key difference? It is whether Joondalup is a state referral centre. The tertiary hospitals—Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gairdner and Fremantle—take patients from all over the state. If someone at Paraburdoo needs a heart transplant, he or she would go to one of the tertiary hospitals. If Joondalup were a tertiary hospital, would the locals be any better off? Would they get a better service? No! They would have to compete with people from every other part of the state for those beds. They would be fighting for those beds with people from Paraburdoo and the rest of the state because Joondalup would become a state referral centre. Does retaining Joondalup hospital as a secondary hospital mean better services for the people of the northern suburbs? Yes, it does.
In case the member for Kwinana does not know, we are expanding Joondalup hospital to 471 beds, well in excess of the 300 beds that have been proposed. That means that 471 beds are going into Joondalup hospital as part of this government’s commitment to the northern suburbs. Does the retention of Royal Perth’s 400 beds as a tertiary hospital make a difference to what was going to happen under the previous government’s proposal? What did the previous government’s “Clinical Services Framework 2005–2015” have in it for tertiary beds in the northern suburbs, and where were they? The answer is 1 000 beds based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. The previous government proposed to have 1 000 tertiary beds all based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. We care for the eastern corridor so we split it and had 600-odd beds at Charlies and 400-odd beds at Royal Perth, the same total number of tertiary beds as the previous government was proposing. Does retaining those 400 beds at Royal Perth rather than having them at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital make a difference to tertiary beds in the northern suburbs? No, it does not. We are focusing on getting the secondary beds into the northern suburbs—471 beds as proposed in the Reid review, made up of 300 beds plus additional same-day beds. What would be the differences for Joondalup Health Campus if it were a tertiary hospital or a large secondary hospital? There can be three things. It can be research facilities, which Joondalup is getting anyway. It can be training for students, which Joondalup is getting anyway. What is the third and key difference? It is whether Joondalup is a state referral centre. The tertiary hospitals—Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gairdner and Fremantle—take patients from all over the state. If someone at Paraburdoo needs a heart transplant, he or she would go to one of the tertiary hospitals. If Joondalup were a tertiary hospital, would the locals be any better off? Would they get a better service? No! They would have to compete with people from every other part of the state for those beds. They would be fighting for those beds with people from Paraburdoo and the rest of the state because Joondalup would become a state referral centre. Does retaining Joondalup hospital as a secondary hospital mean better services for the people of the northern suburbs? Yes, it does.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: I can understand the member’s concern about seeing two Labor members trying to parade their federal member around to give him coverage, making it look as though they were concerned about what was happening in Joondalup. They made quite unreasonable claims about the process, relating to both the retention of Royal Perth Hospital and what is happening at Joondalup hospital, and referred to some suggestion that the Reid review proposed that Joondalup be a tertiary hospital. I remind the member for Kwinana what the report says in case he has not read it. I know that the member for West Swan was involved in the construction of this report. Firstly, it said that there should be only one tertiary hospital for the North Metropolitan Health Service, and that was Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital – Royal Perth; and, secondly, over the next 10 years—this report was done in 2004, so it is up to 2014—Joondalup Health Campus should be expanded to an approximately 300-bed general hospital. I have to clarify that that is multiday beds, not total beds, but still, the Reid review proposal amounted to 300 beds. In case the member for Kwinana does not know, we are expanding Joondalup hospital to 471 beds, well in excess of the 300 beds that have been proposed. That means that 471 beds are going into Joondalup hospital as part of this government’s commitment to the northern suburbs. Does the retention of Royal Perth’s 400 beds as a tertiary hospital make a difference to what was going to happen under the previous government’s proposal? What did the previous government’s “Clinical Services Framework 2005–2015” have in it for tertiary beds in the northern suburbs, and where were they? The answer is 1 000 beds based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. The previous government proposed to have 1 000 tertiary beds all based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. We care for the eastern corridor so we split it and had 600-odd beds at Charlies and 400-odd beds at Royal Perth, the same total number of tertiary beds as the previous government was proposing. Does retaining those 400 beds at Royal Perth rather than having them at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital make a difference to tertiary beds in the northern suburbs? No, it does not. We are focusing on getting the secondary beds into the northern suburbs—471 beds as proposed in the Reid review, made up of 300 beds plus additional same-day beds. What would be the differences for Joondalup Health Campus if it were a tertiary hospital or a large secondary hospital? There can be three things. It can be research facilities, which Joondalup is getting anyway. It can be training for students, which Joondalup is getting anyway. What is the third and key difference? It is whether Joondalup is a state referral centre. The tertiary hospitals—Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gairdner and Fremantle—take patients from all over the state. If someone at Paraburdoo needs a heart transplant, he or she would go to one of the tertiary hospitals. If Joondalup were a tertiary hospital, would the locals be any better off? Would they get a better service? No! They would have to compete with people from every other part of the state for those beds. They would be fighting for those beds with people from Paraburdoo and the rest of the state because Joondalup would become a state referral centre. Does retaining Joondalup hospital as a secondary hospital mean better services for the people of the northern suburbs? Yes, it does.
I can understand the member’s concern about seeing two Labor members trying to parade their federal member around to give him coverage, making it look as though they were concerned about what was happening in Joondalup. They made quite unreasonable claims about the process, relating to both the retention of Royal Perth Hospital and what is happening at Joondalup hospital, and referred to some suggestion that the Reid review proposed that Joondalup be a tertiary hospital. I remind the member for Kwinana what the report says in case he has not read it. I know that the member for West Swan was involved in the construction of this report. Firstly, it said that there should be only one tertiary hospital for the North Metropolitan Health Service, and that was Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital – Royal Perth; and, secondly, over the next 10 years—this report was done in 2004, so it is up to 2014—Joondalup Health Campus should be expanded to an approximately 300-bed general hospital. I have to clarify that that is multiday beds, not total beds, but still, the Reid review proposal amounted to 300 beds. In case the member for Kwinana does not know, we are expanding Joondalup hospital to 471 beds, well in excess of the 300 beds that have been proposed. That means that 471 beds are going into Joondalup hospital as part of this government’s commitment to the northern suburbs. Does the retention of Royal Perth’s 400 beds as a tertiary hospital make a difference to what was going to happen under the previous government’s proposal? What did the previous government’s “Clinical Services Framework 2005–2015” have in it for tertiary beds in the northern suburbs, and where were they? The answer is 1 000 beds based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. The previous government proposed to have 1 000 tertiary beds all based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. We care for the eastern corridor so we split it and had 600-odd beds at Charlies and 400-odd beds at Royal Perth, the same total number of tertiary beds as the previous government was proposing. Does retaining those 400 beds at Royal Perth rather than having them at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital make a difference to tertiary beds in the northern suburbs? No, it does not. We are focusing on getting the secondary beds into the northern suburbs—471 beds as proposed in the Reid review, made up of 300 beds plus additional same-day beds. What would be the differences for Joondalup Health Campus if it were a tertiary hospital or a large secondary hospital? There can be three things. It can be research facilities, which Joondalup is getting anyway. It can be training for students, which Joondalup is getting anyway. What is the third and key difference? It is whether Joondalup is a state referral centre. The tertiary hospitals—Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gairdner and Fremantle—take patients from all over the state. If someone at Paraburdoo needs a heart transplant, he or she would go to one of the tertiary hospitals. If Joondalup were a tertiary hospital, would the locals be any better off? Would they get a better service? No! They would have to compete with people from every other part of the state for those beds. They would be fighting for those beds with people from Paraburdoo and the rest of the state because Joondalup would become a state referral centre. Does retaining Joondalup hospital as a secondary hospital mean better services for the people of the northern suburbs? Yes, it does.
In case the member for Kwinana does not know, we are expanding Joondalup hospital to 471 beds, well in excess of the 300 beds that have been proposed. That means that 471 beds are going into Joondalup hospital as part of this government’s commitment to the northern suburbs. Does the retention of Royal Perth’s 400 beds as a tertiary hospital make a difference to what was going to happen under the previous government’s proposal? What did the previous government’s “Clinical Services Framework 2005–2015” have in it for tertiary beds in the northern suburbs, and where were they? The answer is 1 000 beds based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. The previous government proposed to have 1 000 tertiary beds all based at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. We care for the eastern corridor so we split it and had 600-odd beds at Charlies and 400-odd beds at Royal Perth, the same total number of tertiary beds as the previous government was proposing. Does retaining those 400 beds at Royal Perth rather than having them at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital make a difference to tertiary beds in the northern suburbs? No, it does not. We are focusing on getting the secondary beds into the northern suburbs—471 beds as proposed in the Reid review, made up of 300 beds plus additional same-day beds. What would be the differences for Joondalup Health Campus if it were a tertiary hospital or a large secondary hospital? There can be three things. It can be research facilities, which Joondalup is getting anyway. It can be training for students, which Joondalup is getting anyway. What is the third and key difference? It is whether Joondalup is a state referral centre. The tertiary hospitals—Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gairdner and Fremantle—take patients from all over the state. If someone at Paraburdoo needs a heart transplant, he or she would go to one of the tertiary hospitals. If Joondalup were a tertiary hospital, would the locals be any better off? Would they get a better service? No! They would have to compete with people from every other part of the state for those beds. They would be fighting for those beds with people from Paraburdoo and the rest of the state because Joondalup would become a state referral centre. Does retaining Joondalup hospital as a secondary hospital mean better services for the people of the northern suburbs? Yes, it does.
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